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Postby VaTribeFan » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:01 pm

I would like to second, third, even fourth the Pavano and Wright suggestions. Pavano leaves a pitcher's park and Wright leaves the cloud of magic "Cy Young's Pitching Dust" that Mazzone would sprinkle on him before each start.

It's also going to be fun to watch the Yankees this year and place bets on who goes on the DL first.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:06 pm

AKhomebrewer wrote:I'm in the 'progression' camp on this guy ... though I do recognize him as a continuing injury risk :-o.


yup - he still could be had for very cheap though. He shouldnt miss much time this yr and is more than likely not someone I would draft right now unless I can get him dirt cheap simply because I think his value will hit a low during ST. He should be ready to go sometime in April. Dont forget - Guillen was the 3rd best SS in roto last yr - ahead of Jeter.

The way you want to play Guillen in your drafts is to subtly remind the other owners of his injury. I can easily see him being drafted after the 10th rd in most leagues.
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Postby kimchi_chigae » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:20 pm

AKhomebrewer wrote:
thedude wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:why do you guys think Guillen was a fluke?

Looks like natural progression to me.


he more than doubled his career high in home runs, stole as many bases as the previous three years combined, hit 41 points above his career batting average, and scored more than 80 runs for the first time. These numbers will come back to earth.


He was never healthy in Seattle. Hence, more games played in Detroit = higher numbers across the board.

I'm in the 'progression' camp on this guy ... though I do recognize him as a continuing injury risk :-o.


not exatcly. he played 140 games in 01, then in 02 he played 134, which are similar to his number of games in 04, 136. his number of ABs were the ones that increased. i agree though that more PT could mean better numbers. however i'm still not sure about him. a good thing is that his AVG went up considerably and i think that's a better sign than him doubling his power numbers. he could be another melvin mora, but right now i just don't know.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:22 pm

KC - he was playing through his injuries in SEA so using GP as an indicator is misleading.
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Postby kimchi_chigae » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:40 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:KC - he was playing through his injuries in SEA so using GP as an indicator is misleading.


i agree. that's why i said that his ABs increased, not his GPs. :-]
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Postby kentx12 » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:43 pm

Adrian Beltre and Carl Pavano.
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Postby thaklanksta » Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:30 pm

Jack Wilson
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Postby JDD » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:11 pm

Fluke players (or stats) by position:

C- Three starting catchers hitting over .315
1- Sean Casey doing that well
2- Brett Boone doing poorly
3- Melvin Mora hitting .340
S- Orlando Cabrera only hitting .264
Util- Michael Young's 216 hits

OF- Juan Pierre isn't that great
Andruw Jones isn't that terrible (every year I say this....)

DH- Who had the career year, Ortiz or Hafner?

Pitcher- I would hate to be a Braves fan if Kolb is not the real deal

Starter? - Jake Peavy's 2.27 ERA
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Postby quicksilver8 » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:14 pm

Beltre and Jack Wilson for sure. Those tools had fluke seasons bigger than Anna Nicole Smith's appetite at a buffet!
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Postby quicksilver8 » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:29 pm

I disagree on Wilkerson. Look at his numbers over the past few years.

Estrada, I totally agree was a fluke, or a breakout? I never thought Estrada would be more than a .230 hitter... I have no idea if he will ever hit again...
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