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Postby ramble2 » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:04 pm

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aaarrrgh! Where's me buried treasure?!

sorry - couldnt resist the pirate referrence. :-D


Look like a pirate - speak like a pirate :-)

CM - still very interested as to why you considered Vinny's 2004 season a fluke.


Arrrr, reminds me o' me fav'rit holiday....
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:24 pm

Some flukes nobody has mentioned:

Johnny Damon and Ichiro

Damon won't slug like he did last year, and won't have a BA that high. He's also losing speed and another significant drop in SB's wouldn't surprise me in the least.

For Ichiro, I don't see him hitting anywhere near .372 next year. It was a career year, we all enjoyed it, and he'll be back to normal next year IMO.
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Postby Rirruto » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:40 pm

LBJackal wrote:Some flukes nobody has mentioned:

Johnny Damon and Ichiro

Damon won't slug like he did last year, and won't have a BA that high. He's also losing speed and another significant drop in SB's wouldn't surprise me in the least.

For Ichiro, I don't see him hitting anywhere near .372 next year. It was a career year, we all enjoyed it, and he'll be back to normal next year IMO.


I dont think you can actually consider Ichiro's year a fluke. Saying it was a fluke implies that it was kind of like a stroke of good luck or an accident but the dude has a career .339 BA (.353 in Japan). I think saying Ichiro getting his 262 hits was a fluke is saying something like Bonds' 73HR was a fluke or something of that nature. I consider flukes someone who is below average/average/decent having a great year.
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:48 pm

Red Sox Winning Yankees Losing...and you can argue it was a fluke considering Bostons stupid 3 foot right field ground rule double fence....

if that didn't bounce over Yankees go to the series!!

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Postby Secret Avatar » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:07 pm

Asking who is gonna be a fluke is really a way for people to dump on players they just don't like for whatever reason.

Pavano has already been mentioned several times as a fluke. But check his actual numbers. He improved across the board every single year for the last three seasons: ERA, WHIP, BB/9, HR/9, etc. How is that a fluke?! If it was any other player who showed such steady improvement and finally had a break-out season, fantasy owners would be falling all over themselves to draft him.

Ditto for Beltre. He had promising seasons at ages 19-21. They've been drooling over this guy for years waiting for him to break out. Unfortunately, he was nagged by small injuries and probably too little mental discipline at the plate. So when, in 2004 he finally DOES get his act together breaks out with a truly incredible season, he's labelled a fluke? Whatever.

Anything is possible in 2005. Pavano and Beltre could fall down a well or get infected with alien parasites like Giambi. But calling them flukes now is not supported by any actual facts.
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:12 pm

Rirruto wrote:
LBJackal wrote:Some flukes nobody has mentioned:

Johnny Damon and Ichiro

Damon won't slug like he did last year, and won't have a BA that high. He's also losing speed and another significant drop in SB's wouldn't surprise me in the least.

For Ichiro, I don't see him hitting anywhere near .372 next year. It was a career year, we all enjoyed it, and he'll be back to normal next year IMO.


I dont think you can actually consider Ichiro's year a fluke. Saying it was a fluke implies that it was kind of like a stroke of good luck or an accident but the dude has a career .339 BA (.353 in Japan). I think saying Ichiro getting his 262 hits was a fluke is saying something like Bonds' 73HR was a fluke or something of that nature. I consider flukes someone who is below average/average/decent having a great year.


Well whatever you wanna call it, he hasn't been that good before, and he won't be that good again. It was a fluke by my definition, but we all have our own definitions I guess.
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Postby Sox FANatic001 » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:12 pm

acsguitar wrote:Red Sox Winning Yankees Losing...and you can argue it was a fluke considering Bostons stupid 3 foot right field ground rule double fence....

if that didn't bounce over Yankees go to the series!!

FLUKE!


lets not bring this up again

architecture is not luck
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Postby Sox FANatic001 » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:13 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
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aaarrrgh! Where's me buried treasure?!

sorry - couldnt resist the pirate referrence. :-D


beat me to it ;-)
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Postby acsguitar » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:21 pm

Sox FANatic001 wrote:
acsguitar wrote:Red Sox Winning Yankees Losing...and you can argue it was a fluke considering Bostons stupid 3 foot right field ground rule double fence....

if that didn't bounce over Yankees go to the series!!

FLUKE!


lets not bring this up again

architecture is not luck


Ill bring this up forever!!!!
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Postby Sox FANatic001 » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:25 pm

acsguitar wrote:
Sox FANatic001 wrote:
acsguitar wrote:Red Sox Winning Yankees Losing...and you can argue it was a fluke considering Bostons stupid 3 foot right field ground rule double fence....

if that didn't bounce over Yankees go to the series!!

FLUKE!


lets not bring this up again

architecture is not luck


Ill bring this up forever!!!!



architecture is not luck[/quote]

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