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Postby J35J » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:14 pm

I don't see Everyday Eddie having that great of a season. He elected not to have surgery on a rotator cuff problem, which I'm guessing is going to be the wrong move!

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Postby J35J » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:15 pm

Same with Wickman having injury concerns.

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Postby J35J » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:28 pm

"Nov. 2nd -- Eddie Guardado will be returning to the Mariners after all. A day after the team declined their option on the veteran reliever, Guardado picked up his own option for 2005. Guardado is trying to rehab a torn rotator cuff and avoid surgery that would cost him the 2005 season." -- from rototimes.com

It looks as if Seattle didn't want to take the chance either. He may turn out to be fine, i'm just going to let someone else take that chance!

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Postby Rico The Retard » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:35 pm

top 10

Gagne
Rivera
Lidge
Nathan
F. Cordero
K Rod
Wagner
Foulke
Benitiz
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Postby trevisc » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:39 pm

XTSilver wrote:How bad do you really think the A's will be without Hudson and Mulder?
By my count there wer 5 closers last year over 30 saves on teams with sub .500 records. I don't believe the A's will be a sub .500 team next year and therefore because they have a proven closer with great stuff I believe it would be extremely unlucky if he did not get 30.

But hey to each his own.


No Stud pitchers (unless you count zito as a stud) and hardly any hitting = low save opps. Add in the fact that he blew something like 9 saves and i'd be suprised if he gets 30
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:47 pm

trevisc wrote:No Stud pitchers (unless you count zito as a stud) and hardly any hitting = low save opps.


This is hardly true. First of all, they have enough pitchers to keep the games close. You don't need stars to get save opps. They're random, and bad teams are consistently at or near the top of the league in save opps.

Dotel should be one of the best closers out there this year.... probably going to be on most if not all of my teams.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:52 pm

LBJackal wrote:
trevisc wrote:No Stud pitchers (unless you count zito as a stud) and hardly any hitting = low save opps.


This is hardly true. First of all, they have enough pitchers to keep the games close. You don't need stars to get save opps. They're random, and bad teams are consistently at or near the top of the league in save opps.

Dotel should be one of the best closers out there this year.... probably going to be on most if not all of my teams.


I agree Jackal - however you might want to keep the praise for Dotel down a bit - his price tag is climbing. I can see him go in the 4th-5th rd in some leagues. Are you really willing to jump that high for him?
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:00 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
LBJackal wrote:
trevisc wrote:No Stud pitchers (unless you count zito as a stud) and hardly any hitting = low save opps.


This is hardly true. First of all, they have enough pitchers to keep the games close. You don't need stars to get save opps. They're random, and bad teams are consistently at or near the top of the league in save opps.

Dotel should be one of the best closers out there this year.... probably going to be on most if not all of my teams.


I agree Jackal - however you might want to keep the praise for Dotel down a bit - his price tag is climbing. I can see him go in the 4th-5th rd in some leagues. Are you really willing to jump that high for him?


Well from what I read around here he'll go well after he should... I have to get the feel of the draft and see how the closers are leaving the board, but I'll probably have him in a lot of leagues. Of course if some fools start taking closers in the first round and K-Rod, Nathan, thsoe types are going in the 2nd or 3rd, then I'll wait and take Baez, Kolb, Affeldt, and other low level closers or backups to bad closers like Aquino and C.Cordero.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:03 pm

I guess were in the same boat then - I wont use an early rd pick on closers and Ive found much better value can be had with the less expensive ones later in the draft.
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Postby JDD » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:04 pm

Here are the Saves Leaders, with games, games started, wins and losses out front, Saves are listed last. I dropped players who likely won't be the designated closer in April. This list will change time and again before we are ready to draft, that is for sure....

Mariano Rivera NYY 74 0 4 2 53
Francisco Cordero TEX 67 0 3 4 49
Armando Benitez SFO 64 0 2 2 47
Jason Isringhausen STL 74 0 4 2 47
Eric Gagne LOS 70 0 7 3 45
Joe Nathan MIN 73 0 1 2 44
Jose Mesa PIT 70 0 5 2 43
Danny Graves CIN 68 0 1 6 41
Trevor Hoffman SDG 55 0 3 3 41
Dan Kolb ATL 64 0 0 4 39
Octavio Dotel OAK 77 0 6 6 36
Shawn Chacon COL 66 0 1 9 35
Troy Percival DET 52 0 2 3 33
Keith Foulke BOS 72 0 5 3 32
Danys Baez TAM 62 0 4 4 30
Braden Looper NYM 71 0 2 5 29
Brad Lidge HOU 80 0 6 5 29
LaTroy Hawkins CHN 77 0 5 4 25
Jorge Julio BAL 65 0 2 5 22
Billy Wagner PHI 45 0 4 0 21
Shingo Takatsu CHA 59 0 6 4 19
Eddie Guardado SEA 41 0 2 2 18
Jason Frasor TOR 63 0 4 6 17
Dustin Hermanson CHA 47 18 6 9 17
Greg Aquino ARI 34 0 0 2 16
Chad Cordero WAS 69 0 7 3 14
Bob Wickman CLE 30 0 0 2 13
Jeremy Affeldt KAN 38 8 3 4 13
Francisco Rodriguez ANA 69 0 4 1 12
Guillermo Mota FLA 78 0 9 8 4
Antonio Alfonseca FLA 79 0 6 4 0

Teams leaving us wondering:

Chicago White Sox: Hermanson or Takasu?
Chicago Cubs: Hawkins for sure?
Cleveland Indians: Wickman now, Riske/Rhodes later?
Florida Marlins: Alfonseca healthy?, if not, then Mota
Milwaukee Brewers: Who will close, and do we care?
Toronto Blue Jays: Will Frasor be the answer?

That gives us 31 Closers to worry about... Two teams have two candidates, and one has zero, so we have 31 guys to rank.

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