He would have been a first ballot hall of famer had he not hit the ridiculous amounts of home runs. He would have hit 500, steroids or not. But, because of this, I can not look at these past 3-4 years as legitimate. The fact he didn't fess up to it makes it worse. At least Giambi had the to admit to using steroids, instead of saying he thought they were arthritis cream...
CubsFan7724 wrote:He would have been a first ballot hall of famer had he not hit the ridiculous amounts of home runs. He would have hit 500, steroids or not. But, because of this, I can not look at these past 3-4 years as legitimate. The fact he didn't fess up to it makes it worse. At least Giambi had the to admit to using steroids, instead of saying he thought they were arthritis cream...
I don't think either Bonds nor Giambi has admitted to using steroids.
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Pete Rose was my childhood hero. While he has been voted out of baseball and is not in the HOF, nobody will dispute his play on the field.
Your post makes me sad.
I don't dispute his play at all. Rose is also one of my favs. The point of my paretheticals was the up-in-the-air notion of whether there was betting on baseball that affected the outcome of any game(s). If so, then he moves in the direction of Bonds.
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There's nary a more anal Constitutional contructionist on this board than myelf, but for godsakes Wrveres, be reasonable. If there was ever a circumstantial slam-dunk, this is it. (btw I would not prosecute b/c I don't see it as a crime) "I thought it was flaxseed" holy crap someone pinch me. Dude, if you're alone in a forest and you hear a tree fall, just becuase you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Every kid should read Ball 4. Should be mandatory reading. I remember as a kid thinking bb player's did no wrong, for some strange reason. Read Ball 4 one day, and boy did my outlook change. I couldn't believe it. Of course now i know bb is a microcosm of society. The headline stories shock us, but in reality the offense are proportionate to that in society. The problem is now the media runs with everything. In the old days, media looked the other way. It's ironic Bonds is so hated, yet the golden boy of bb (Ruth), is still so loved. Yet Babe was a alcoholic, who chased so many women, he was a walking VD didplay. It's bb fault roids are here. The penalties didn't scare anyone. Image if robbing the local babk brought only probation? You don't think there would be a run of robbers? Bonds probably knew what he was taking, but can anyone prove 100% he knew? And can anyone prove he hit 1 more hr because of it? 50 more? 100? It's nothing but speculation. Many guys have done roids. None have approached Bonds. They should have done something at the time, like the Brett pine tar incident. You can't come back after the fact, where it was officially counted, and now try to downplay it *. Just my thoughts. I know i'm in the minority here, but BB taking steroids doesn't diminish what he's done. I agree roids need to go, so bb is the headlines, not off the field stuff. Nothing compares to Rose. gambling is by far the worst thing a player can do, at least in MLB eyes.
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by CubsFan7724 » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:21 pm 
I couldn't believe it. Of course now i know bb is a microcosm of society. The headline stories shock us, but in reality the offense are proportionate to that in society. The problem is now the media runs with everything. In the old days, media looked the other way. It's ironic Bonds is so hated, yet the golden boy of bb (Ruth), is still so loved. Yet Babe was a alcoholic, who chased so many women, he was a walking VD didplay. It's bb fault roids are here. The penalties didn't scare anyone. Image if robbing the local babk brought only probation? You don't think there would be a run of robbers? Bonds probably knew what he was taking, but can anyone prove 100% he knew? And can anyone prove he hit 1 more hr because of it? 50 more? 100? It's nothing but speculation. Many guys have done roids. None have approached Bonds. They should have done something at the time, like the Brett pine tar incident. You can't come back after the fact, where it was officially counted, and now try to downplay it *. Just my thoughts. I know i'm in the minority here, but BB taking steroids doesn't diminish what he's done. I agree roids need to go, so bb is the headlines, not off the field stuff. Nothing compares to Rose. gambling is by far the worst thing a player can do, at least in MLB eyes.
