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Postby stumpak » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:34 am

Far from a done deal--as a Dodger fan, this is very upsetting, because they were robbing everyone blind. That a**hole Green is sticking it to the Dodgers one more time...

Thursday, December 16, 2004


ESPN.com news services
Several obstacles stand in the way of a proposed three-team mega-trade involving five-time Cy Young Award winner Randy Johnson that reportedly was on the road to getting done Thursday night.


A baseball source told ESPN that the proposed trade involving the Yankees, Diamondbacks and Dodgers is not as close to completion as earlier reports had indicated, and that the deal rapidly exceeding the complexity of last year's failed Alex Rodriguez-to-Boston trade might never happen.

Owed $16 million in 2005 and wants a contract extension at age 41; No-trade clause with the Yankees as his only desired destination.

No-trade clause, playing for his hometown team; Owed $16 million in 2005; Fading career? His OPS has gone down from the previous season's all but one year since 1999.

Owed $34.5 million over next three seasons; Health questions, physical (shoulder MRI) and mental (4-5, 6.92 ERA in disastrous second half).
Earlier reports indicated that the teams were closing in on a trade that would send Johnson to the Yankees, Javier Vazquez and prospects Eric Duncan and Dioner Navarro to Los Angeles, and Shawn Green and pitchers Brad Penny and Yhency Brazoban to Arizona.


The trade was proposed before Adrian Beltre agreed to a $64 million, five-year deal with the Mariners on Thursday.


By failing to re-sign Beltre, the Dodgers may rethink their role in the trade, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reported. Other issues that threatened to derail the trade include the waiving of Green's no-trade clause.


A source close to Green, who is due $16 million in 2005, told ESPN.com that the Dodgers outfielder is happy living in Southern California, where he grew up, and has expressed no desire to leave Los Angeles. How much money the Diamondbacks would receive from the Yankees is also a point of contention. Sources told Stark that moving Duncan and Navarro would preclude the Yankees from sending money to Arizona.


Another obstacle that reportedly could derail the trade is Vazquez's salary; he is due $34.5 million over the next three seasons and Los Angeles apparently wants help from the Yankees footing the bill.


There was no confirmation from any of the teams that a deal has been proposed and Johnson's agent, Barry Meister, declined comment when reached by ESPN.com.


"We're still in conversations with a lot of different clubs about a lot of different possibilities," Dodgers general manager Paul DePodesta said earlier Thursday. "We have talked about some three-way deals and some four-way deals.


"I don't know if it's going to happen or not," he said.


Johnson, like Green, has a no-trade clause, but the Big Unit had said he would accept a deal to the Yankees. The Yankees also would be expected to sign Johnson to a contract extension if they acquire him. Johnson will make $16 million next season, the final year of his contract.


Johnson was a Montreal Expos second-round draft pick in 1985. He signed with Arizona on Dec. 10, 1998, and won the Cy Young Award in each of his first four seasons in the desert. He finished second to Houston's Roger Clemens in this year's voting.


Johnson also won a Cy Young Award in Seattle, where he played from 1989-98. Johnson finished with a 16-14 record in 2004, but he led the majors in strikeouts with 290 and was second in the majors with a 2.60 ERA despite coming off knee surgery. In a season in which Arizona lost a franchise-worst 111 games, Johnson pitched a perfect game, passed 4,000 career strikeouts and passed Steve Carlton to become the most prolific left-handed strikeout pitcher in history. He ranks No. 3 on the strikeout list behind Nolan Ryan and Clemens.


Green, 31, has a .282 career average but dipped to .266 last season with 28 home runs and 86 RBI.


Penny, 26, was traded from Florida to the Dodgers on July 30 but saw limited action for Los Angeles because of a problem in his right arm. He was 9-10 with a 3.15 ERA for both clubs.


Penny was selected in the fifth round of Arizona's initial free-agent draft in 1996 but never pitched for the Diamondbacks in the majors. He, right-hander Vladimir Nunez and outfielder Abraham Nunez (as a player to be named) were traded to Florida for closer Matt Mantei in July 1999.
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Postby slomo007 » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:36 am

It's time for the Red Sox to swoop in and grab RJ. What goes around, comes around. :-D
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Postby Transmogrifier » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:41 am

If I were Green, I would likely use my NTC. Why would I want to go to Arizona?

Also, seems this deal was done before Beltre went to Seattle and LA is now concerned about losing too much offense, although that doesn't make all that much sense since they have free cash now.
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Postby trevisc » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:41 am

that would be awesome if the red sox did that...

ESPN's Jayson Stark believes the three-team Randy Johnson may not get done because it was contingent on the Dodgers being able to re-sign Adrian Beltre.
If he's right, then the breaking news was old news, because the deal would have had to have been agreed to prior to today. For the Dodgers, this deal only makes sense as an extreme effort to free up money, which would then have to be used on a star. Carlos Beltran would be a viable alternative to Beltre, but it's unclear whether the Dodgers have had any talks with Scott Boras about him.


That's from Rotoworld
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Postby stumpak » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:56 am

There is a good reason for Green to go Arizona: He is an FA next year and he is bound to put up nicer numbers in the BOB than at Dodger Stadium. It's not just money too--he seems to be a guy that is picky about location, and a better season will open more avenues to him geographically as well.
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Postby lesgrant » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:03 am

slomo007 wrote:It's time for the Red Sox to swoop in and grab RJ. What goes around, comes around. :-D


Boston may want RJ but does RJ want Boston? Beyond that, would Boston be into the mandatory contract extension?
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Postby trevisc » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:04 am

lesgrant wrote:Boston may want RJ but does RJ want Boston? Beyond that, would Boston be into the mandatory contract extension?


From what I read Schilling and RJ do not particulary get along well together so I'd say RJ probably wouldn't approve a deal to Boston.
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:07 am

He's going to the yankees...itll be done this morning..I heard on ESPN radio
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Postby raiders_umpire » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:11 am

slomo007 wrote:It's time for the Red Sox to swoop in and grab RJ. What goes around, comes around. :-D



that was my thinking as well.... pay back to the boss..... :-D :-D
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Postby eftda » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:44 pm

I doubt the Ddgers will put all their eggs in one baskett (Beltran). With no Green and just Kent, the Dodgers would be giving up all hope for a 05 playoff spot. IMO of course.
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