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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:02 pm

I know nothing, zero, zilch, nada about OC. Anyone want to a) tell me that we're probably going to sign him, and b) tell me that he's not much of a step down, including his clubhouse demeanor?

I need some spiritual uplifting right now...

:-/
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:11 pm

From what I've heard while he was in BOS he was a great clubhouse guy, but of course that was a totally different atmosphere than in STL I would guess. :-b I put this in one of the Renteria threads in the FB talk forum, thought it was pretty good :-D

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I'm not sure about the latter, but I'll argue with you on the first part. Using my feeble analytical skills this is how I see it. (Comparing Renteria to Cabrera):

Take a look at Cabrera's splits MON/BOS last year. I know it's a small sample size, but if you extrapolate his numbers with the better Boston lineup around him to 162 games (~600 AB's) he hit much better than his career averages in MON.

(w/BOS, for 162 games (Renteria's average last 3 years))

R: 33 --> 87 (86)
HR: 6 --> 16 (11)
RBI: 31 --> 82 (85)
H: 67 --> 178 (176)
AVG: .294 --> 178/600 = .297 -(176/573 = .308 (But that was affected disproportionatly by .330 in '03 IMO))

I guess I said all that just to say that if Cabrera's increase with Boston was due to the lineup (which it was IMO), he is comprable to Renteria in every facet offensively -- including AVG his major knock -- not just power. While I would much rather have Renteria, he's not the offensive stud that I think everyone makes him out to be, especially if Cabrera would come $2-$3million/year cheaper. Maybe I'm just in denial or something, but I don't think Cabrera is that much of a step down for either of these two offenses, at least not a $2-$3million difference. :-? I'm sure someone will let me know if I'm wrong on this. :-/


Personally, I think Cabrera would put up the same numbers as Renteria would have if he does in fact come to STL. Maybe I'm just kidding myself but I don't think there will be much fall off if any if Cabrera replaces Renteria. :-?
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:23 pm

Great post, Saints!

;-D

If we do sign him (are we for sure in the hunt for him???), does he bat lead-off?
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:31 pm

StlSluggers wrote:Great post, Saints!

;-D

If we do sign him (are we for sure in the hunt for him???), does he bat lead-off?


I would assume he's at least an option. His agents were in serious talks with Walt last I heard, so he's at least on the radar. As far as leadoff, I see him as about as much of a leadoff guy as Renteria IMO. I'm not really sure though. :-?
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:34 pm

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I would assume he's at least an option. His agents were in serious talks with Walt last I heard, so he's at least on the radar. As far as leadoff, I see him as about as much of a leadoff guy as Renteria IMO. I'm not really sure though. :-?

He seemed to be a very good lead-off hitter in the playoffs, if I recall.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:35 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I would assume he's at least an option. His agents were in serious talks with Walt last I heard, so he's at least on the radar. As far as leadoff, I see him as about as much of a leadoff guy as Renteria IMO. I'm not really sure though. :-?

He seemed to be a very good lead-off hitter in the playoffs, if I recall.


When did he leadoff over Damon? :-?
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:37 pm

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I would assume he's at least an option. His agents were in serious talks with Walt last I heard, so he's at least on the radar. As far as leadoff, I see him as about as much of a leadoff guy as Renteria IMO. I'm not really sure though. :-?

He seemed to be a very good lead-off hitter in the playoffs, if I recall.


When did he leadoff over Damon? :-?

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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:44 pm

My guess is OC would lead off depending on who plays 2B. Edgar would have been a good leadoff man or a great #2 hitter but the stories I always heard were that he felt more comfortable batting lower in the order.

The middle infield is empty and I am waiting for Walt to make some magic.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:45 pm

Everything that I've ever heard about him has been positive. Didn't sulk in Montreal and got along with the freaks and misfits in Boston.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:47 pm

before he was traded to boston i had heard he was the type of player that everyone expected would be better once he went to a real baseball town.

if the tigers or some mystery team are interested in him i think the bidding might reach about 8 per year. not sure if the cards would go that high for him. the back up plan is said to be larkin for dirt cheap to play about 100-120 games with luna taking the rest. i guess lugo is an option but i dont think walt has had any talks with the rays yet.

i dont feel too confident we sign cabrera. i feel pretty confident the cards will sign polanco though.
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