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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:55 pm

Just found this on ESPN:

ESPN wrote:Under the mayor's deal with Major League Baseball, Washington promised to build a publicly financed stadium with revenue bonds backed by a new business tax, a higher sales tax and rent paid by the team.


That would seem to suggest the bonds would be financed by nonresidents as well as residents, so I would be much more resceptive to it.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:35 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X ... &type=lgns

Looks like the whole deal is collapsing.
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Postby trevisc » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:02 pm

Great! Just what baseball needs..more rift
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Postby lesgrant » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:31 am

Apparently, this is yet another last minute sleazy political move:

http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20041215 ... -4390r.htm

http://www.wmal.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=283405&PT=NEWS

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:
stumpak wrote:Poor? DC is one of the wealthiest areas in the country by any measure--average salary, housing prices, etc. Sure there is a ghetto, but would you say that New York is an impoverished city just becasue the Bronx is craphole, or that LA is a poor city just becasue of South Central?


I disagree. Take out all the commuters and tourists and what are you left with?
Why would you take out the commuters? Just because they don't officially live in D.C. doesn't mean they won't go to games. Look at the Metro area, there are some of the wealthiest areas in the country as stumpak said.

St. Louis City has some of the poorest neighborhoods in my area but I would bet most people that go to Cardinals games come from suburbs.


I understand Cornbread’s point from later posts.

I just wanted to point out that there are plenty of stadiums in impoverished areas that still attract fans, especially when coupled with winning teams.

I agree with what was posted earlier in that DC would be a cash cow for MLB, especially those luxury boxes. Just look at the design of the Redskins’ new stadium. They created an entire luxury section. It’s empty a lot of the time, but I’m under the impression the seats are paid for. Similarly, Baltimore isn’t exactly the lap of luxury, but Camden Yards is a popular destination.

I think there are plenty of people who work in DC but live in the suburbs that will stop off for a game after work. Wash/Baltimore is the largest single team market in baseball.

Something tells me Angelos recently made a campaign contribution, or maybe a couple.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:10 pm

How about this for a twist:

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?sid=365294&nid=25

Mark Segraves wrote: The sex industry funded part of a campaign that opposes the construction of a new baseball stadium on the Anacostia waterfront.

Opponents of a publicly financed baseball stadium spent roughly $50,000, trying to sway public opinion.

In one method used to get their message out, opponents used an automated phone line.

The person on the automated phone call says he's from a group called Friends of the Earth, and he's opposed to a stadium built with public money

Friends of the Earth is part of a coalition called "No D.C. Taxes For Baseball."

And, WTOP Radio has learned up to 20 percent of the $50,000 came from Robert Siegel, an Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner whose business would have to move to make way for the stadium.

Siegel is a major landowner on the South Capitol stadium site, an area that Siegel calls "D.C.'s unofficial Red Light district."

He owns 11 properties, several of which house gay nightclubs. He also owns a gay porn shop and adult theaters.

He says he's spent $20,000 of his own money to keep from being displaced by a new stadium. The funding includes other efforts he undertook to keep out baseball, including neighborhood signs and lawyer fees.

Some of the money went toward posters and radio ads, including one that ran on WTOP Radio.

Siegel says he's staying in the background because he doesn't want to cloud the issue of baseball with sex.

"No D.C. Taxes For Baseball" tells WTOP it wasn't trying to deceive anyone with its message. The group accepted money from Siegel's legal businesses to make its point.

Other members of "No D.C. Taxes For Baseball" include the League of Women Voters of the District of Columbia, Legal Aid Society of the District of Columbia and the Statehood Green Party.


nice ;-D

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Postby George_Foreman » Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:02 pm

stumpak wrote:Poor? DC is one of the wealthiest areas in the country by any measure--average salary, housing prices, etc.


Incorrect.

DC has the highest homless rate in the US. Also, I bet if you looked at median income rather than average you'd see a very different picture. As was pointed out later on the thread, its the areas around DC that are wealthy. In the city, you mainly have students and low-income individuals working service jobs (driving cabs, etc.)

On the taxation issue, however, I disagree that the burden would fall completely on the people living within the city limits. Someone noted earlier that DC has a sales tax, which means that all of those rich people commuting in to the city help support it when they spend their money in the city. Sure they don't buy everything within the city limits, but they spend a good chunk of their change in the city (and they'd theoretically spend more if there was a ballpark), so they will at least contribute to some of the government financing.

Nevertheless, I'm glad to see that a city is not giving a huge handout to the ballclub owners. I don't think DC will be a very good baseball town, anyways. First off, there are very few people who live there their whole lives (I mean, the place is ruled by the national government, and that changes every two years), so you won't have "life-long fans" that you get at other cities. Whats more, going to the ballgame will be more of a smoozing activity than a genuine baseball experience for the people who can afford it; it will be a way to network rather than a way to enjoy a ballgame. I just don't think DC has a population that is predisposed to be a good baseball town. It'll be worse than d-rays games.
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Postby acsguitar » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:28 pm

DC is retarded....They have huge problems....
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