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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:34 am

Amazinz wrote:I can name two more from last year alone, Hidalgo and Cameron. Cameron led the Mets in Win Shares and gets paid fair market value. Say what you want about Hidalgo but it was a great move at the time and definite improvement over what the Mets had been using.

Listen if you want to make outlandish statements like the Mets haven't made a good move in 15 years (of course Piazza, Leiter, Ventura, Olerud, Hampton, don't count right) there's little use arguing with you. You'll believe what you want to believe.


Outlandish statements?? LOL. Just look at the facts. I mentioned impact signings. They have made some good trades but their FA signings have been flops for the most part. Let's take a look at your list:

Hidalgo - Trade from Houston. And you or I would have been an improvement over what they were using.
Cameron - This 1 made me laugh. His offense was terrible, as expected, and his defense was much worse than expected. He made some nice plays but he was no where as good as he has been in the past. That can't be denied.
Piazza - Trade from Florida.
Leiter - Trade from Florida.
Ventura - Had 1 excellent year out of 3 but was big for them. Gave him away to the Yankees for a declining Justice.
Olerud - Had 3 good seasons there.
Hampton - Trade from Houston.

So, your defense was basically Cameron, Ventura, and Olerud. While none of them were impact signings or in their prime, Olerud was good and Ventura was solid. Cameron was definitely a disappointment. For every 1 of the few decent signings, there are many more that have been flops. I was also referring to impact signings and those who had their best seasons after signing with the Mets. :-?
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Postby Amazinz » Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:58 pm

So now we're arguing the semantics (trade, signings) of player acquisitions to prove a point? :-°
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:24 pm

Amazinz wrote:So now we're arguing the semantics (trade, signings) of player acquisitions to prove a point? :-°


No. My point from the beginning has been that they have had zero success in FA signings in recent history. Maybe it will change but the past speaks for itself. I like the fact that you are positive about the future but you can't just ignore the past.
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Postby Amazinz » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:32 pm

I'm not ignoring the fact from a fan's perspective. I'm not arguing that and I know the Mets have had a spotty record at best for FA signings. But purely from fantasy baseball perpective I don't think you devalue Pedro simply because the Mets (and a different regime) have a track record. ;-)
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:34 pm

Amazinz wrote:I'm not ignoring the fact from a fan's perspective. I'm not arguing that and I know the Mets have had a spotty record at best for FA signings. But purely from fantasy baseball perpective I don't think you devalue Pedro simply because the Mets (and a different regime) have a track record. ;-)


I don't think that I did that and it wasn't my intention. Someone else mentioned that and I just made these comments.
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