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Postby Bloody Nipples » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:24 am

Lofunzo wrote:Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500. :-°


since when did wins matter?
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Postby pokerplaya » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:29 am

Lofunzo wrote:Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500. :-°


This may be the case, but both pitchers have matured over their careers and I'd drool over having either in my rotation.
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Postby Ballwreckers » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:33 am

Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500.


I don't think its Clement's fault that the Cubs pulled an Arizonia and didn't score many runs for a good pitcher. He has been consistantly a good strikeout pitcher with a decent ERA and Whip as well. I think if he goes to a team that will give him run support (not like the cubs can't, they just won't) and a decent bullpen to back him up he will give you the wins one would expect him to have.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:37 am

I think basing Clements value on wins isn't fair at all. His K:BB, K/9, ERA, and WHIP have all been solid over the last few years, it's just that he has gotten hardly any RS especially last year.
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Postby Lofunzo » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:59 am

Bloody Nipples wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500. :-°


since when did wins matter?


This is getting to be too much. I would agree that wins aren't the best indicator of a pitcher's worth but people here take it to the other extreme. It's not that they don't matter. The name of the game is wins.

Which numbers would you prefer:

K/IP: .82
K/BB: 2.10
ERA: 4.20
WHIP: 1.33

I'm not saying that these guys are bad. I'm just saying that they're not as good as some people make them out to be. :-?
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:39 am

I'm not sure who's numbers those are, but I would gladly take Clements numbers from the last three years:

K/BB: 2.4
K/9: 8.9
ERA: 3.76
WHIP: 1.24

Sure it's not elite status, but I'd take that anyday.
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Postby Lofunzo » Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:46 am

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I'm not sure who's numbers those are, but I would gladly take Clements numbers from the last three years:

K/BB: 2.4
K/9: 8.9
ERA: 3.76
WHIP: 1.24

Sure it's not elite status, but I'd take that anyday.


Those were the combined numbers of those 2 stars. I think that Clement is good and has solid stuff but I am just disappointed that he hasn't really it it all together yet.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:56 am

Oh, OK I thought it was one of those "guess the players" things. :-D BTW I don't consider Clement a star, I just think he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, and is fairly underrate that's all. ;-D
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Postby The Cow » Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:55 am

Speaking of GMs, some are so poor (or so they say) that they can not afford a checker board let alone a chess board. These GMs are using the dart board at the local pub and using it to decide who they sign. I think Shapiro (Tribe GM) had a few too many brewskies when he through the dart leading him to sign Jose Hernandez, Yikes.

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