Do GMs have a memory?

[Bloody Nipples]

Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500.

since when did wins matter?

[pokerplaya]

Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500.

This may be the case, but both pitchers have matured over their careers and I'd drool over having either in my rotation.

[Ballwreckers]

Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500.

I don't think its Clement's fault that the Cubs pulled an Arizonia and didn't score many runs for a good pitcher. He has been consistantly a good strikeout pitcher with a decent ERA and Whip as well. I think if he goes to a team that will give him run support (not like the cubs can't, they just won't) and a decent bullpen to back him up he will give you the wins one would expect him to have.

[SaintsOfTheDiamond]

I think basing Clements value on wins isn't fair at all. His K:BB, K/9, ERA, and WHIP have all been solid over the last few years, it's just that he has gotten hardly any RS especially last year.

[Lofunzo]

Clement and Odalis are known commodities but that doesn't mean that they are good. In 318 career starts, they are a combined 4 games under .500.

since when did wins matter?

This is getting to be too much. I would agree that wins aren't the best indicator of a pitcher's worth but people here take it to the other extreme. It's not that they don't matter. The name of the game is wins.

Which numbers would you prefer:

K/IP: .82
K/BB: 2.10
ERA: 4.20
WHIP: 1.33

I'm not saying that these guys are bad. I'm just saying that they're not as good as some people make them out to be.

[SaintsOfTheDiamond]

I'm not sure who's numbers those are, but I would gladly take Clements numbers from the last three years:

K/BB: 2.4
K/9: 8.9
ERA: 3.76
WHIP: 1.24

Sure it's not elite status, but I'd take that anyday.

[Lofunzo]

I'm not sure who's numbers those are, but I would gladly take Clements numbers from the last three years:

K/BB: 2.4
K/9: 8.9
ERA: 3.76
WHIP: 1.24

Sure it's not elite status, but I'd take that anyday.

Those were the combined numbers of those 2 stars. I think that Clement is good and has solid stuff but I am just disappointed that he hasn't really it it all together yet.

[SaintsOfTheDiamond]

Oh, OK I thought it was one of those "guess the players" things. BTW I don't consider Clement a star, I just think he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, and is fairly underrate that's all.

[The Cow]

Speaking of GMs, some are so poor (or so they say) that they can not afford a checker board let alone a chess board. These GMs are using the dart board at the local pub and using it to decide who they sign. I think Shapiro (Tribe GM) had a few too many brewskies when he through the dart leading him to sign Jose Hernandez, Yikes.

Cow lookin for a real team