ajgnydc722 wrote:I'm not thrilled about Wright. I don't know much about him, how good is he? Does anyone (Braves/Indians fans) know if he can succeed in the Bronx?
I doubt it unless the Yankees trade Mel Stottlemyre for Leo Mazzone. How often do Mazzone reclamation projects replicate their success they had under him when they sign with another team? I doubt Wright will suddenly revert back to his San Diego form, but it depends on how much of what Leo taught him he retained.
ajgnydc722 wrote:I'm not thrilled about Wright. I don't know much about him, how good is he? Does anyone (Braves/Indians fans) know if he can succeed in the Bronx?
I doubt it unless the Yankees trade Mel Stottlemyre for Leo Mazzone. How often do Mazzone reclamation projects replicate their success they had under him when they sign with another team? I doubt Wright will suddenly revert back to his San Diego form, but it depends on how much of what Leo taught him he retained.
A career .274 hitter with an OBP of .319 (AWFUL). and an OPS of .681 (AWFUL).
He is no youngster.
He Ks way too much and does not walk. Just what is to like about a guy that one could make the argument is a rick man's version of Pokey Reese?
ajgnydc722 wrote:I'm not thrilled about Wright. I don't know much about him, how good is he? Does anyone (Braves/Indians fans) know if he can succeed in the Bronx?
I doubt it unless the Yankees trade Mel Stottlemyre for Leo Mazzone. How often do Mazzone reclamation projects replicate their success they had under him when they sign with another team? I doubt Wright will suddenly revert back to his San Diego form, but it depends on how much of what Leo taught him he retained.
ajgnydc722 wrote:I'm not thrilled about Wright. I don't know much about him, how good is he? Does anyone (Braves/Indians fans) know if he can succeed in the Bronx?
I doubt it unless the Yankees trade Mel Stottlemyre for Leo Mazzone. How often do Mazzone reclamation projects replicate their success they had under him when they sign with another team? I doubt Wright will suddenly revert back to his San Diego form, but it depends on how much of what Leo taught him he retained.
Jason Maruis?
Marquis, Schmidt and Odalis Perez weren't reclamation projects though. I'm talking about pitchers like John Burkett.
Burkett was also a product of the NL though. He pitched well or decent for a good portion of his career with the Giants and FLa. When he went to Tex he got lit up. He went back to the NL in Atl and pitched pretty decent. Then went back to the AL and got lit up again.
How much Mazzone really had to do with that I don't know. I think Burkett was just one of those pitchers that the pitcher's hitting and the 3 or 4 gimme outs in the lineup each game really made a difference.
TheYanks04 wrote:Burkett was also a product of the NL though. He pitched well or decent for a good portion of his career with the Giants and FLa. When he went to Tex he got lit up. He went back to the NL in Atl and pitched pretty decent. Then went back to the AL and got lit up again.
How much Mazzone really had to do with that I don't know. I think Burkett was just one of those pitchers that the pitcher's hitting and the 3 or 4 gimme outs in the lineup each game really made a difference.
Someone sent me this link the other day when we were talking about pitching coaches. I didn't really study his research and mathematics, but the results really stood out to me when I read them.
So, what's the veridict? Leo Mazzone is a damn good coach! Working with Leo is shaves off between .55 and .85 points of a pitcher's ERA. And I promise you, the results are not some artifact of some manipulation of the numbers to prove a point. In fact, my bias when I started this project was that Leo was a bit overrated. To put this in perspective, the standard deviation of ERA for pitchers in the sample was 1.36. Leo's boys gain about half of a standard deviation on their ERA. I think Schuerholz ought to take this number into arbitration hearings with pitchers. Also interesting is the fact that the effect seems to go away when pitchers leave. This may be because Mazzone imparts useful everyday help, not just new knowledge to fix an old problem, or maybe the Braves know when to dump guys. In any event I think it's clear Rob Neyer was not exaggerating when he suggested Leo Mazzone ought be in the Hall of Fame.
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I do not doubt Mazzone's ability. I just do not think it really mattered much wrt Burkett. I also think the result is in no small part through overall design. Meaning they do indeed seem to know how t oevaluate pitching talent and when to get rid of someone who is not likely to repeat a short-term fluke (see Hammond, Neagle and others).
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Too bad he can't teach his guys how to pitch in the post-season.
Maine has a good swing for a pitcher but on anything that moves, he has no chance. And if it's a fastball, it has to be up in the zone. Basically, the pitcher has to hit his bat. - Mike Pelfrey
You can only work with what you have and having guys like Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz certainly goes a long way to making you look smart. It can't make them win in the post-season though. And for all the pitching accolades over the years, the Braves usually found themselves either lacking offensively or in the pen.
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