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Postby Savoy Special » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:06 pm

I heard an argument which compared what Pete Rose did vs. what Barry Bonds did. The radio talk show then asked if Bonds should be kept out of the Hall of Fame.
My basic question: Rose was an HOF on the field but tarnished the game by his off the field actions. Bonds is definitely an HOF, but should his off the field actions keep him out too??
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Postby wrveres » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:08 pm

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Postby perlick29 » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:10 pm

I think he should definitely be allowed in. No punshment has been levied from the MLB as of yet, so none will be likely to be put on him HOF wise. I thinm=k he should go in anyway.
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:15 pm

Yeah for sure he should be in... if his testimony is released and says he did indeed use steroids at a time that they were a banned MLB substance, then MLB should come up with a punishment. Should that punishment be a permanent ban from baseball for people who are caught using steroids when they're banned? I don't know, that isn't my decision to make. But my opinion is a one year ban from playing.

So no, he shouldn't be excluded from the hall.
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Postby raiders_umpire » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:19 pm

he should be in there for sure....
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Postby FatGuyWithAMullet » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:38 pm

If substantive proof ever comes out that Bonds was on steroids through a significant part of his career then no, he should not be in the HOF.

For years, and even now to an extent Major League Baseball had/has a system that protects the guilty, nothing more than a pathetic self policing honor system.

The National Baseball Hall of Fame specifically lists integrity, sportsmanship and character as qualifications for entry. Electing Barry Bonds and other cheaters like Gaylord Perry to the Hall makes a joke of the entire process.

So I don't make the Barry supporters cry I'll preface this by saying it is nothing but pure speculation on my behalf. Bonds willfully soiled the game. He lied about his abuse, abuse that gave him an advantage over players who didn't resort to illegal means to advance their game. Barry Bonds doesn't deserve to be in the HOF in my eyes.
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Postby Rico The Retard » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:41 pm

Well obviously for his playing skill he should but his steroid abuse and all that controversy surrounding him i would just say that it will be a sad day when mr. bonds is inducted into the hall of fame...... :-t
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Postby Rkiivs » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:49 pm

FatGuyWithAMullet wrote:If substantive proof ever comes out that Bonds was on steroids through a significant part of his career then no, he should not be in the HOF.

For years, and even now to an extent Major League Baseball had/has a system that protects the guilty, nothing more than a pathetic self policing honor system.

The National Baseball Hall of Fame specifically lists integrity, sportsmanship and character as qualifications for entry. Electing Barry Bonds and other cheaters like Gaylord Perry to the Hall makes a joke of the entire process.

So I don't make the Barry supporters cry I'll preface this by saying it is nothing but pure speculation on my behalf.

Bonds willfully soiled the game. He lied about his abuse, abuse that gave him an advantage over players who didn't resort to illegal means to advance their game. Barry Bonds doesn't deserve to be in the HOF in my eyes.


On the whole, I can agree with this but consider that whatever punishment you use for Barry has got to be in place for everyone in the MLB. If you want to use banishment from the Hall then fine, but now, if you get some mediocre player that is not going to really have a shot at the HOF anyway get caught juicing and you ban him, then what have you really done to deter him? See what I mean?

I'm not all for putting BB in the Hall if all comes true with his use, believe me. But neither can I strike out all his stats when clearly he hasn't been juicing his whole career. Instead, I'd wipe out his stats for whatever seasons he admits to using and use his remaining stats to decide Hall worthiness. If he is currently tested and is positive then he should face a one season ban. Does this sound reasonable?
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Postby kentx12 » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:52 pm

It will be the worst day in the history of baseball if they allow him into the Hall Of Fame. That will just send a message that people can do anything they need to do to get an advantage and it will be allowed.
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Postby Arlo » Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:53 pm

FatGuyWithAMullet wrote:Electing Barry Bonds and other cheaters like Gaylord Perry to the Hall makes a joke of the entire process.

Well, there's cheating and there's cheating. Spitballs, for example, are often seen as an amusing, somewhat anachronistic pat of the game rather than being on a level with, say, throwing a World Series, effectively more prank than crime. I think I'd have to agree to an extent and say that not every violation (and no, I'm not defending or even talking about Bonds here) violation of the rule book should be punished equally.

I do see where you're coming from; I just wouldn't equate spitballs and steroid use.
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