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Outfielder VBD: Using last season Stats

Postby SHOCKandAWE » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:31 am

*****PLEASE NOTE THIS IS NOT A CHEAT SHEET. JUST A SHEET I USE TO DETERMINE VALUE ON KEEPERS***

Based on my 5x5 league setup I plugged in last years stats to see how the guys ranked based on my scoring using the VBD method.

Here is what I got for outfielders

Vladimir Guerrero
Bob Abreu
Ichiro Suzuki
Albert Pujols
Carlos Beltran
Carl Crawford
Barry Bonds
Melvin Mora
Juan Pierre
Manny Ramirez
Johnny Damon
Jim Edmonds
Lance Berkman
Scott Podsednik
J.D. Drew
Gary Sheffield
Carlos Lee
Moises Alou
Miguel Cabrera
Hideki Matsui
Corey Patterson
Jeromy Burnitz
Aubrey Huff
Matt Lawton
Lew Ford
Jose Guillen
Steve Finley
Brian Giles
Randy Winn
Torii Hunter
Coco Crisp
Eric Byrnes
Brad Wilkerson
Mark Kotsay
Rocco Baldelli
Mike Cameron
Craig Biggio
Ryan Freel
Shawn Green
Darin Erstad
Reggie Sanders
Andruw Jones
Geoff Jenkins
David Roberts
Marquis Grissom
Endy Chavez
Adam Dunn
Vernon Wells
Milton Bradley
Jason Bay
Jacque Jones
Jermaine Dye
Larry Bigbie
Chipper Jones
Craig Monroe
Bernie Williams
Tike Redman
Sammy Sosa
Kevin Mench
Raul Ibanez
Garret Anderson
Jose Cruz Jr
Pat Burrell
Rob Mackowiak
Cliff Floyd
Rondell White
Alex Sanchez
Wily Mo Pena
Juan Rivera
Larry Walker
Ryan Klesko
Dmitri Young
Shannon Stewart
Jody Gerut
David Dellucci
Richard Hidalgo
Reed Johnson
Brady Clark
Michael Tucker
Jeff DaVanon
Magglio Ordonez
B.J. Surhoff
Matt Stairs
Luis Gonzalez
Terrmel Sledge
Eli Marrero
Ken Griffey Jr
Bobby Higginson
Juan Encarnacion
Jolbert Cabrera
Michael Cuddyer
Ruben Sierra
Jay Payton
Gary Matthews
Laynce Nix
Daryle Ward
Kenny Lofton
Dustan Mohr
Jay Gibbons
Luis Matos
Timo Perez
Trot Nixon
Ben Grieve
Carl Everett
Kerry Robinson
Roger Cedeno
Ricky Ledee
Austin Kearns
Terrence Long
Preston Wilson
Marlon Byrd
Jason Lane
Juan Gonzalez
Doug Glanville
Bobby Kielty
Brian Jordan
Tim Salmon
Orlando Palmeiro
Marty Cordova
Tom Goodwin
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Postby Tavish » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:36 am

I would be extremely interested to know what your league setup was. If those are based on last season's stats and Manny Ramirez was more valuable than Pujols then your rules are probably vastly different than most leagues.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:38 am

I updated the rankings. When I input the data I put Manny down for 108 Homers :-/
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Postby Tavish » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:43 am

So Manny's 7 extra RBI's makes him more valuable than the extra 25 R, 3, HR, 3 SB, and .023 BA that Pujols had?

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Ramirez 108 R 43 HR 130 RBI 2 SB .308 BA
Pujols 133 R 46 HR 123 RBI 5 SB .331 BA
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:46 am

OOPS..I put 108 HR in for Manny by accident when I entered in the info. I will repost the rankings
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:52 am

ok i just updated the rankings
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:11 am

Isn't VBD only used to determine the value of players relative to others at different positions? Otherwise, they're just plain old rankings, aren't they?

And yeah I can see Ichiro being that high this year. I'm actually surprised that Abreu and Vlad were higher. Ichiro was a HUGE help for BA due not only to his high BA, but his 700+ AB's, his R were OK at 101, and his power numbers weren't as bad as you'd expect from a guy with 225 singles. The 36 SB's don't hurt either. For next year though.... I doubt he'll be even close to what his did last year.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:19 am

Pretty much

VBD uses projections and a baseline for each position to determine player values. I used last years stats for every player.. These stats are then combined with the basic 5x5 mixed league determine the value for each player. The number of stats scored by the baseline player at each position is then subtracted from each player. All positions are then placed in the same list. This doesnt take into account position scarcity so thats why I did it by position rather than 1 big list with all positions
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Postby dannahann » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:48 am

SHOCKandAWE wrote:Pretty much

VBD uses projections and a baseline for each position to determine player values. I used last years stats for every player.. These stats are then combined with the basic 5x5 mixed league determine the value for each player. The number of stats scored by the baseline player at each position is then subtracted from each player. All positions are then placed in the same list. This doesnt take into account position scarcity so thats why I did it by position rather than 1 big list with all positions

The way I utilize VBD (Joe Bryant's method) position scarcity plays a big role, It's pretty much the crux of why the value breaks occur where they do?
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:05 am

That's what I thought VBD was used for too - comparison between players at different positions, and to find out how much better players are than other players at the same position. With a positional list that's just a plain old ranking. You could use the same method as VBD but without having positional comparisons or dollar values, I don't think it really qualifies as VBD :-?

But regardless - thanks for the rankings S&A ;-D The more the merrier.
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