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Postby Pedantic » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:01 pm

I have a team here that finished in last place thanks to a number of factors, so I can't do much worse next year. :-b However, I have done some major overhauling and would like to get some opinions on my reupholstered team. League is 6x6 (OPS and holds), 14-teams, and H2H.

1B Richie Sexson
2B Tony Womack*
3B Eric Chavez
SS Nomar Garciaparra
C Johnny Estrada
LF Hideki Matsui
CF Carl Crawford (yes, he qualifies there)
RF Magglio Ordonez
UT Mike Sweeney
UT Ryan Klesko
BN Mark DeRosa
BN Jason Phillips
BN Luis Rivas
BN Ben Grieve
BN Ben Broussard*

SP Roy Oswalt
SP Josh Beckett
SP Kevin Brown*
RP Chad Bradford
RP Jorge Julio
P Paul Byrd
P Tomo Ohka
P Eric Bedard
BN Paul Quantrill
BN Justin Speier
BN Rafael Betancourt*
BN Dan Miceli*
BN Brian Fuentes*

*Contingent upon signing during bidding

I also have some prospects, but they shouldn't make much of an impact next year. And, no, as much as I'd like to, I can't drop any players without eating their salary for the next couple of years. Obviously, I'm more or less ditching saves and going entirely for holds. I'm most worried about my starting pitching. I'd appreciate any opinions. :-)
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Postby TownDrunk » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:09 pm

Bad pitching staff.

You should trade Crawford for Pavano ;-D
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:16 pm

Your offense is solid, especially the IF. ;-D This is kinda crazy, but if you want to shake things up maybe see what you could get for Sexson. If you could get something close to what you think is a fair trade I'd ship him for either RP or maybe he and someone else for an RP+SP combination since 1B is so deep. (I know he probably won't bring in much, but surely there is someone out there who will over pay for him. :-?) If you can't do that see what you could get for maybe Matsui (sell high) or maybe Maggs (sell his potential possibly). Your offense should be able to take the hit if everyone comes back healthy I would think -- read Sexson and Maggs. The top of your rotation isn't that bad if Beckett can get the blister thing straightened out, Oswalt/Beckett is a great 1-2 punch. ;-D The real problem is you don't have many guys that other teams will over pay for or you can sell high on since most either had down years or haven't really shown much lately like Brown for example. If it was me Crawford, Chavez, Nomar, Oswalt, and maybe Estrada would be untouchable unless an offer just blows you away since you can build around that core for several years IMO. ;-D I realize I'm going out on a limb with those ideas, but when you've got nothing to lose why not? :-D
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Postby kentx12 » Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:03 pm

I wouldnt change your offense. You do need help in your pitching especially in your closers. I would wait and see if you can pick up some new pitchers off waivers at the beginning of the year there are always a few that pop up.
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Postby Pedantic » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:18 am

I 'preciate the thoughts (except you, TD :-D). Being in my position, where I was out of contention fairly early (thanks to a pitching staff anchored by Sidney Ponson and Russ Ortiz :-b), my strategy since the trading deadline last year was to load up on the injured players and stars that I felt had potential in the hopes they come back strong and boost my team to the top of the standings next year, ergo, Sexson, Maggs, et al.

Since I have nothing to lose next year, I value these players pretty high. I gain nothing by "playing it safe" and I have a lot more to gain by taking a risk with these guys. Therefore, other teams' offers that may look fair under normal circumstances are not enough for me, and so I've been reluctant to trade a good portion of my team.

I've actually given some thought to trading Sexson. He's pretty much my lone significant trading chip. Would Smoltz be enough for you all to want to pull the trigger? :-? He is available, though my inclination is to ask for a little something more. What do you guys think? :-)
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:23 am

Pedantic wrote:I 'preciate the thoughts (except you, TD :-D). Being in my position, where I was out of contention fairly early (thanks to a pitching staff anchored by Sidney Ponson and Russ Ortiz :-b), my strategy since the trading deadline last year was to load up on the injured players and stars that I felt had potential in the hopes they come back strong and boost my team to the top of the standings next year, ergo, Sexson, Maggs, et al.

That's a pretty good strategy considering that both have had good track records as far as injuries before last year. ;-D

Since I have nothing to lose next year, I value these players pretty high. I gain nothing by "playing it safe" and I have a lot more to gain by taking a risk with these guys. Therefore, other teams' offers that may look fair under normal circumstances are not enough for me, and so I've been reluctant to trade a good portion of my team.

Fair enough, I just figured the only way to get good pitching in return was to give up some of the studs you have on offense. But then I guess you've waited this long so you can wait to see if they'll pan out or you should cut your losses early next year.

I've actually given some thought to trading Sexson. He's pretty much my lone significant trading chip. Would Smoltz be enough for you all to want to pull the trigger? :-? He is available, though my inclination is to ask for a little something more. What do you guys think? :-)

Personally I wouldn't go for Smoltz. He's going to start next year and his value takes a tremendous hit IMO from what it's been the last couple years. I think you can get a lot more in return, so I'd keep shopping Sexson if you're willing to part with him. ;-D
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Postby Pedantic » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:39 am

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:
Pedantic wrote:I 'preciate the thoughts (except you, TD :-D). Being in my position, where I was out of contention fairly early (thanks to a pitching staff anchored by Sidney Ponson and Russ Ortiz :-b), my strategy since the trading deadline last year was to load up on the injured players and stars that I felt had potential in the hopes they come back strong and boost my team to the top of the standings next year, ergo, Sexson, Maggs, et al.

That's a pretty good strategy considering that both have had good track records as far as injuries before last year. ;-D

Since I have nothing to lose next year, I value these players pretty high. I gain nothing by "playing it safe" and I have a lot more to gain by taking a risk with these guys. Therefore, other teams' offers that may look fair under normal circumstances are not enough for me, and so I've been reluctant to trade a good portion of my team.

Fair enough, I just figured the only way to get good pitching in return was to give up some of the studs you have on offense. But then I guess you've waited this long so you can wait to see if they'll pan out or you should cut your losses early next year.

I've actually given some thought to trading Sexson. He's pretty much my lone significant trading chip. Would Smoltz be enough for you all to want to pull the trigger? :-? He is available, though my inclination is to ask for a little something more. What do you guys think? :-)

Personally I wouldn't go for Smoltz. He's going to start next year and his value takes a tremendous hit IMO from what it's been the last couple years. I think you can get a lot more in return, so I'd keep shopping Sexson if you're willing to part with him. ;-D


Hmm, well, I'll see what else I can get along with Smoltz, otherwise I'll try someone else. Problem is, almost no one needs a 1B. :,-(
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:40 am

Pedantic wrote:Problem is, almost no one needs a 1B. :,-(


Yep, that's going to be a problem in most leagues this year unless they're really really deep. :-o
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Postby Baseballer02 » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:41 am

Pedantic wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:
Pedantic wrote:I 'preciate the thoughts (except you, TD :-D). Being in my position, where I was out of contention fairly early (thanks to a pitching staff anchored by Sidney Ponson and Russ Ortiz :-b), my strategy since the trading deadline last year was to load up on the injured players and stars that I felt had potential in the hopes they come back strong and boost my team to the top of the standings next year, ergo, Sexson, Maggs, et al.

That's a pretty good strategy considering that both have had good track records as far as injuries before last year. ;-D

Since I have nothing to lose next year, I value these players pretty high. I gain nothing by "playing it safe" and I have a lot more to gain by taking a risk with these guys. Therefore, other teams' offers that may look fair under normal circumstances are not enough for me, and so I've been reluctant to trade a good portion of my team.

Fair enough, I just figured the only way to get good pitching in return was to give up some of the studs you have on offense. But then I guess you've waited this long so you can wait to see if they'll pan out or you should cut your losses early next year.

I've actually given some thought to trading Sexson. He's pretty much my lone significant trading chip. Would Smoltz be enough for you all to want to pull the trigger? :-? He is available, though my inclination is to ask for a little something more. What do you guys think? :-)

Personally I wouldn't go for Smoltz. He's going to start next year and his value takes a tremendous hit IMO from what it's been the last couple years. I think you can get a lot more in return, so I'd keep shopping Sexson if you're willing to part with him. ;-D


Hmm, well, I'll see what else I can get along with Smoltz, otherwise I'll try someone else. Problem is, almost no one needs a 1B. :,-(


I know someone that would still like an upgrade. ;-D
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