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Postby kentx12 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:47 pm

Looks like they are really trying to improve there bullpen this year..
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:49 pm

Amazinz wrote:This is a bad trade in some ways for both teams.

Stanton could be effective again if used in moderation but he just went across town to a team that abused their relievers as bad as the Mets did last year. So unless things change in the Bronx Stanton won't be effective for them.



You make a decent point but with a bullpen now consisting of Rivera, Gordon, Quantrill, Rodriguez, Karsay and possibly the re-signing of Sturtze, Stanton will only be used as a lefty specialist and probably won't get overworked.
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Postby Lofunzo » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:14 pm

blankman wrote:no clue, but anything is better for the Yanks than Heredia ;-D


Can't argue with that.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:37 pm

ajgnydc722 wrote:
Amazinz wrote:This is a bad trade in some ways for both teams.

Stanton could be effective again if used in moderation but he just went across town to a team that abused their relievers as bad as the Mets did last year. So unless things change in the Bronx Stanton won't be effective for them.



You make a decent point but with a bullpen now consisting of Rivera, Gordon, Quantrill, Rodriguez, Karsay and possibly the re-signing of Sturtze, Stanton will only be used as a lefty specialist and probably won't get overworked.



And just how much worse than Heredia can someone be? How mych worse than a 6.5+ ERA can a guy be? At least now Cashman just removed Torre from his stupidity in his continued use of Heredia...Oh I need a lefty, let's bring in Felix the awful.
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Postby rlee » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:25 pm

I am certainly not an apologist for Heredia, but as bad as he was last year, he did have a 3.04 ERA in '03. He was part of the Boone, Scott Williams Guillen fire sales the Reds had and they were criticized for not getting anything for him. But as in most things in sports, it's what have you done for me lately... we do have short memories. :-/

But he sure was lousy last year. :-P
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Postby Lofunzo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:32 pm

rlee wrote:I am certainly not an apologist for Heredia, but as bad as he was last year, he did have a 3.04 ERA in '03. He was part of the Boone, Scott Williams Guillen fire sales the Reds had and they were criticized for not getting anything for him. But as in most things in sports, it's what have you done for me lately... we do have short memories. :-/

But he sure was lousy last year. :-P


1 thing that we need to remember is that the Yankees make moves for October. It comes down to playoff success and Heredia has been extremely shaky in big spots in October. As bad as Stanton might be, I trust him in the playoffs much more than Heredia.
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Postby ghostfacek » Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:44 pm

Amazinz wrote:This is a bad trade in some ways for both teams.

Stanton could be effective again if used in moderation but he just went across town to a team that abused their relievers as bad as the Mets did last year. So unless things change in the Bronx Stanton won't be effective for them.

With all things being equal I'd rather have Stanton but like I said in my blog concerning this issue, getting rid of Stanton was a good thing. If the move is a precursor to other moves to upgrade the bullpen than the trade is fine. If Minaya made the move because he thinks Horredia is better than Stanton and he expects him to fill the role Stanton played last year he's horribly mistaken.


i agree... i dont think Minaya made this deal to aquire Heredia, but to make room for emerging rp's in their system could also makes sense. moreno, bell, yates, ect.. one of those guys could surprise and put up similar numbers to stanton. or maybe another trade is on the way..
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Postby Zito is God » Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:35 pm

I like the trade from the Yankees stanpoint, Stanton is a solid vet, doesn't get shaken by pressure, and can me a mediocre set up man if Karsay goes down or Gordon is shaky. In heredia's defense I never thought he was bad, he just can't pitch under pressure. Everytime I saw his fastball I wanted to take a trip to the ballpark and see if the radar gun is messed up, it says 88 but it looks like 98! Seriously, watch the film. But I guess the Yankees are all about pressure, and guys like heredia, Weaver, Contreras just couldn't handle it. Did you notice that after Weaver left he had a pretty good season with the dodgers.
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Postby NY Yankees Fan 2004 » Sun Dec 05, 2004 3:58 am

Im happy with this trade. I wanted Heredia off the Yankees so badly. I cant stand the guy. Whenever I see him pitch I feel like throwing up. The guy is awful. Im glad we got rid of him ;-D
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Postby pomplona's finest » Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:37 pm

Not much to add, but in Stanton the Yanks have padded their bullpen with someone who can be very effective as long as they don't abuse and overwork him.
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