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Postby Fire-Rescue-Diver » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:52 pm

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Postby rotodog » Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:56 pm

Folks , A wonderful strategy ! I use it ,love it, BUT......I've been burned by it. If you go back and look at the best relievers from year to year, rarely do they show up in any consistant basis. Some like octavio dotel were great for 3 years, but FE- ROD and Art Rhodes,and pitchers like them , can fall into decline fast.....Be careful the guys you pick, and Only take them when they cost you relatively nothing. Even better , FA selection or waiver wire claim.
The stategy only works when you draft them extremely late, or on the super cheap. This is where you minimize your risk.
I've seen some jump the gun on guys like this too early when there is still talent left to be drafted or bought. So the lesson here is USE THESE GUYS, BUT DONT SPEND FOR THEM OR DRAFT THEM TOO EARLY.... After all is said and done, pitchers like Mike Gonzalez, Ryan, MAdsen, come from NO where every season, and can be had for NOTHING if you are astute ! Rotodog
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Postby El Jefe » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:53 pm

I like Gonzalez and Valverde. I think Valverde will close this season with Gonzalez not that far behind. Mesa can't last too much longer, and Gonzalez's numbers last year were just plain silly.

Mike Gonzalez 2004:
43.1 Inn, 32 Hits, 6 BB, 55 K, 1.246 ERA, 0.877 WHIP

I just picked him up today in both of my dynasty leagues.
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Postby baseballboy » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:00 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:I do agree that having to use 2-3 roster spots on them is a definite drawback, but I dont find that it is that big of a negative considering the benefit they provide.


The biggest drawback is in a 5X5 league where you are unable to recover in strikeouts by giving up roster spots with relievers. A great reliever will get you about 90 K's while a mediocre starter can get you 150+ K's. Times this by 3 roster spots and it's an about extra 200 K's you'll miss out on with the relievers.
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Postby Bloody Nipples » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:32 pm

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Cornbread Maxwell wrote:I do agree that having to use 2-3 roster spots on them is a definite drawback, but I dont find that it is that big of a negative considering the benefit they provide.


The biggest drawback is in a 5X5 league where you are unable to recover in strikeouts by giving up roster spots with relievers. A great reliever will get you about 90 K's while a mediocre starter can get you 150+ K's. Times this by 3 roster spots and it's an about extra 200 K's you'll miss out on with the relievers.


yeah but in a roto league with an IP limit you cant use three extra starters. Three good relievers pitch as many innings as one starter, but get better ratios and similar K and W numbers.
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Postby Lofunzo » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:19 pm

It is a nice strategy but you need to have a deep bench to use it more effectively. :-?
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:05 am

Does Ray King not qualify as flying under the radar this year? I didn't see him mentioned. He doesn't eat up a lot of innings, but his numbers are phenomenal. ;-D His ERA was around 1.50 most of the year until he got roughed up a little at the end, and his WHIP was sub 1.00 most of the year too.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:14 am

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:Does Ray King not qualify as flying under the radar this year? I didn't see him mentioned. He doesn't eat up a lot of innings, but his numbers are phenomenal. ;-D His ERA was around 1.50 most of the year until he got roughed up a little at the end, and his WHIP was sub 1.00 most of the year too.


A little low on IP and W for my tastes but at least you don't have to worry about him getting drafted. :-?
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:16 am

Lofunzo wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:Does Ray King not qualify as flying under the radar this year? I didn't see him mentioned. He doesn't eat up a lot of innings, but his numbers are phenomenal. ;-D His ERA was around 1.50 most of the year until he got roughed up a little at the end, and his WHIP was sub 1.00 most of the year too.


A little low on IP and W for my tastes but at least you don't have to worry about him getting drafted. :-?


True. He'll probably be lucky to get past 70 IP, but he should get lots of holds if you count them since he's coming in to face the lefties with a lead. ;-D
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Postby LBJackal » Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:18 am

Ray King just doesn't do it for me. Watching him pitch, it's like Embree. Not much stuff, but a decent fastball that he gets away with because he's a lefty. I guess he'd be good for holds as long as he only faced lefties.... if they let him face righties I think he'd get rocked. Hopefully they leave him a specialist, for his fantasy value's sake.
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