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Postby Music2004Man » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:41 pm

I think these two guys have a lot of upside but I was curious who you guys think they take after? What current major leaguers do you think are similar in style (and maybe success)?

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Postby raiders_umpire » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:48 pm

i have heard many people compare greinke to a right handed glavine and bonderman to smoltz,,,,i dont really see it yet, considering the teams they are on,,,but if they get that good u better watch out.....of course considering both of their ages (early 20s) they still have some years to grow and blossom...and i do recall glavine and smoltz struggling their first couple of years in the majors( but of course the braves were terrible then as well)
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Postby DK » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:54 pm

Greinke has been compared to Bret Saberhagen and a poor man's Greg Maddux.

Bonderman I'm not sure about.
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Postby Tavish » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:55 pm

Greinke was billed as a Maddux-style pitcher that hit spots, changed speeds and controls a game by keeping hitters off balance. Comparing him to Maddux is pretty unfair but he is a pitcher in that type of mold.

Bonderman is basically your typical 90's power pitcher with a mid-90s tailing fastball and a nasty slider. Since I compared Greinke to Maddux I'll say Bonderman takes after John Smoltz.

As far as success goes I wouldn't put either one of those players near the class of Maddux and Smoltz ( Maddux especially) but they both have very bright futures ahead of them.


*edit* Guess I type too slow, the comparisons have already been made. ;-D
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Re: Who would you compare with Greinke and Bonderman?

Postby reiser » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:59 pm

Music2004Man wrote:I think these two guys have a lot of upside but I was curious who you guys think they take after? What current major leaguers do you think are similar in style (and maybe success)?


Greinke is more of a control-type pitcher, more in the Maddux vein.
Bonderman, from what I have read, is certainly a number 1 starter in Detroit, and probably quite a few other places as well.
here are their 04 stats:
Player INN GS W L S K BBI HA ERA WHIP
Bonderman, DET 184.0 32 11 13 0 168 73 168 4.891 1.310
Greinke, KC 145.0 24 8 11 0 100 26 143 3.972 1.165
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Postby Lofunzo » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:58 pm

I was actually thinking Glavine and Smoltz. 8-o
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Postby raiders_umpire » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:49 am

Lofunzo wrote:I was actually thinking Glavine and Smoltz. 8-o



:-? :-? i dont know if that is good, lo, u thinking like me.... :-D :-D :-D
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Postby J35J » Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:18 am

I can see the Grienke - Maddux comparison but to be a little more realistic I can see Grienke being every bit of a Brad Radke!

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Postby reiser » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:08 pm

just for giggles, i pulled down starter records post all star, under 23:

Player, Team GS IP H BB SO W L ERA
J. Peavy, SD 16 103.1 82 29 112 10 3 2.18
O. Perez, Pit 15 98.2 71 44 122 7 6 2.74
J. Bonderman, Det 15 90 71 28 85 5 7 3.7
R. Harden, Oak 15 98 82 33 76 8 2 3.49
Z. Greinke, KC 15 89 94 14 62 7 5 4.04
D. Cabrera, Bal 15 70 84 56 41 6 5 7.33
C. Zambrano, ChC 14 95.2 82 34 84 7 4 2.92
D. Willis, Fla 14 93.1 93 25 67 3 6 4.05

i didn't realize crazy carlos was still that young.
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Postby Cooner » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:14 pm

reiser wrote:i didn't realize crazy carlos was still that young.
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yeah, but is he REALLY that young?
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