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Postby Bloody Nipples » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:27 pm

Who are your top 50 SPs? If you want to rank more, please do.
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Postby dleoboyd » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:34 pm

Top 70, but I don't project wins at this point in the off-season:

Johan Santana
Mark Prior
Jason Schmidt
Randy Johnson
Ben Sheets
Roy Oswalt
Curt Schilling
Oliver Perez
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
Pedro Martinez
Jake Peavy
AJ Burnett
Josh Beckett
Rich Harden
Mike Mussina
Tim Hudson
Roy Halladay
Matt Clement
Mark Mulder
Freddy Garcia
Kelvim Escobar
Javier Vazquez
Barry Zito
Roger Clemens
Chris Carpenter
Brad Penny
Bartolo Colon
Andy Pettitte
Carl Pavano
Wade Miller
Jeremy Bonderman
Kevin Millwood
Jaret Wright
Livan Hernandez
Doug Davis
Vicente Padilla
Adam Eaton
Nate Robertson
Dontrelle Willis
Randy Wolf
Mark Buehrle
CC Sabathia
Bronson Arroyo
Zack Greinke
Odalis Perez
Greg Maddux
Matt Morris
Eric Milton
Brad Radke
Jeff Weaver
John Thomson
John Lackey
Joel Pineiro
Brandon Webb
Jon Lieber
Ted Lilly
Gil Meche
Kevin Brown
Kris Benson
Al Leiter
Jeff Francis
Jake Westbrook
David Wells
Brian Lawrence
Jose Contreras
John Patterson
Jason Marquis
Jerome Williams
Glendon Rusch
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Postby raiders_umpire » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:32 pm

dleoboyd wrote:Top 70, but I don't project wins at this point in the off-season:

Johan Santana
Mark Prior
Jason Schmidt
Randy Johnson
Ben Sheets
Roy Oswalt
Curt Schilling
Oliver Perez
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
Pedro Martinez
Jake Peavy
AJ Burnett
Josh Beckett
Rich Harden
Mike Mussina
Tim Hudson
Roy Halladay
Matt Clement
Mark Mulder
Freddy Garcia
Kelvim Escobar
Javier Vazquez
Barry Zito
Roger Clemens
Chris Carpenter
Brad Penny
Bartolo Colon
Andy Pettitte
Carl Pavano
Wade Miller
Jeremy Bonderman
Kevin Millwood
Jaret Wright
Livan Hernandez
Doug Davis
Vicente Padilla
Adam Eaton
Nate Robertson
Dontrelle Willis
Randy Wolf
Mark Buehrle
CC Sabathia
Bronson Arroyo
Zack Greinke
Odalis Perez
Greg Maddux
Matt Morris
Eric Milton
Brad Radke
Jeff Weaver
John Thomson
John Lackey
Joel Pineiro
Brandon Webb
Jon Lieber
Ted Lilly
Gil Meche
Kevin Brown
Kris Benson
Al Leiter
Jeff Francis
Jake Westbrook
David Wells
Brian Lawrence
Jose Contreras
John Patterson
Jason Marquis
Jerome Williams
Glendon Rusch



list looks pretty good,,,a couple i disagree with but not bad enough to discuss anything over..... ;-D ;-D
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Postby dleoboyd » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:40 pm

raiders_umpire wrote:
list looks pretty good,,,a couple i disagree with but not bad enough to discuss anything over..... ;-D ;-D


Thank you. I think there will always be a few players that someone will want to dispute, but that is part of what makes fantasy baseball so fun. Much of the off-season juice would be gone if we were all of the same opinion.
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Postby Tavish » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:44 pm

dleoboyd wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:
list looks pretty good,,,a couple i disagree with but not bad enough to discuss anything over..... ;-D ;-D


Thank you. I think there will always be a few players that someone will want to dispute, but that is part of what makes fantasy baseball so fun. Much of the off-season juice would be gone if we were all of the same opinion.


Hmm well if thats the case...... ;-)

Harden above both Mulder and Hudson surprises me quite abit. Harden will get more K's than the other two, but I'm not sold on his control enough that he will have a better ERA or WHIP (or close enough to make the K's outweigh the difference). I don't have the other two a tremendous amount ahead of Harden, but that was the first thing that jumped out at me with your list.
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Postby NY Yankees Fan 2004 » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:22 pm

dleoboyd wrote:Top 70, but I don't project wins at this point in the off-season:

Johan Santana
Mark Prior
Jason Schmidt
Randy Johnson
Ben Sheets
Roy Oswalt
Curt Schilling
Oliver Perez
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
Pedro Martinez
Jake Peavy
AJ Burnett
Josh Beckett
Rich Harden
Mike Mussina
Tim Hudson
Roy Halladay
Matt Clement
Mark Mulder
Freddy Garcia
Kelvim Escobar
Javier Vazquez
Barry Zito
Roger Clemens
Chris Carpenter
Brad Penny
Bartolo Colon
Andy Pettitte
Carl Pavano
Wade Miller
Jeremy Bonderman
Kevin Millwood
Jaret Wright
Livan Hernandez
Doug Davis
Vicente Padilla
Adam Eaton
Nate Robertson
Dontrelle Willis
Randy Wolf
Mark Buehrle
CC Sabathia
Bronson Arroyo
Zack Greinke
Odalis Perez
Greg Maddux
Matt Morris
Eric Milton
Brad Radke
Jeff Weaver
John Thomson
John Lackey
Joel Pineiro
Brandon Webb
Jon Lieber
Ted Lilly
Gil Meche
Kevin Brown
Kris Benson
Al Leiter
Jeff Francis
Jake Westbrook
David Wells
Brian Lawrence
Jose Contreras
John Patterson
Jason Marquis
Jerome Williams
Glendon Rusch


Looks pretty good ;-D ;-D of course there are some I dont agree with. 2 Pitchers that stand out to me here:

Jake Westbrook: I dont understand how Jeff Francis can be higher than him. Westbrook was solid this past year, I dont see how he can be so low.

Odalis Perez: Too low. He doesnt get wins, but posts solid Ratios. There is no way that Im taking Millwood over him.
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Postby stumpak » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:14 am

Agreed on Perez, although it depends somewhat on where is signs. I also am not that sanguine on Robertson (got lit up the second half) or Willis, but that just goes to show that after the first 15 or so SPs the next 20-25 have strong upsides but also some risk factors, so it bascially comes down to the personal intuition of how you weigh the risk and the upside to come up with final rankings.
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Postby mocabeenow » Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:44 am

dleoboyd wrote:
Top 70, but I don't project wins at this point in the off-season:

Johan Santana
Mark Prior
Jason Schmidt
Randy Johnson
Ben Sheets
Roy Oswalt
Curt Schilling
Oliver Perez
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
Pedro Martinez
Jake Peavy
AJ Burnett
Josh Beckett
Rich Harden
Mike Mussina
Tim Hudson
Roy Halladay
Matt Clement
Mark Mulder
Freddy Garcia
Kelvim Escobar
Javier Vazquez
Barry Zito
Roger Clemens
Chris Carpenter
Brad Penny
Bartolo Colon
Andy Pettitte
Carl Pavano
Wade Miller
Jeremy Bonderman
Kevin Millwood
Jaret Wright
Livan Hernandez
Doug Davis
Vicente Padilla
Adam Eaton
Nate Robertson
Dontrelle Willis
Randy Wolf
Mark Buehrle
CC Sabathia
Bronson Arroyo
Zack Greinke
Odalis Perez
Greg Maddux
Matt Morris
Eric Milton
Brad Radke
Jeff Weaver
John Thomson
John Lackey
Joel Pineiro
Brandon Webb
Jon Lieber
Ted Lilly
Gil Meche
Kevin Brown
Kris Benson
Al Leiter
Jeff Francis
Jake Westbrook
David Wells
Brian Lawrence
Jose Contreras
John Patterson
Jason Marquis
Jerome Williams
Glendon Rusch


Santana #1? hmmmm.... let's see... let me check my rankings, my stats.....yeah, that's about right!
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Postby sisyphus » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:13 pm

Ok, here is my Top 50. Of course, as it is early and signings still to happen...

Santana
Prior
Schmidt
Johnson
Sheets
Oswalt
Schilling
Martinez
Zambrano
Wood
Halladay
Oliver Perez
Peavy
Hudson
Mulder
Vasquez
Clement
Pavano
Harden
Clemens
Garcia
Mussina
Beckett
Burnett
Colon
Zito
Penny
Carpenter
Odalis Perez
Wade Miller
Bonderman
Millwood
Livan Hernandez
Radke
Pineiro
Sabathia
Jaret Wright
Westbrook
Maddux
Buehrle
Greinke
Lilly
Milton
Jerome Williams
Weaver
Eaton
Willis
Francis
Wolf
Thomson
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Postby Secret Avatar » Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:20 pm

Prior and Schmidt over the Unit? I don't know about that one. His numbers last year were insane. Plus, he's likely to end up on a much better team which should almost guarantee him more wins.
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