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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:18 pm

io wrote:dont forget Kearns, Atkins, Upton... def. alot of 3b's at utl next year

1 Alex Rodriguez
2 Eric Chavez
3 Hank Blalock
4 Scott Rolen
5 Aubrey Huff
6 Aramis Ramirez
7 Adrian Beltre
8 David Wright
9 Melvin Mora
11 Troy Glaus
12 Chipper Jones
13 Mike Lowell
14 Austin Kearns
15 Garret Atkins
16 BJ Upton
17 Chone Figgins, Bill Mueller, Casey Blake, Dallas McPherson, Corie Koskie, Tony Batista, Vinny Castilla, ect..


Upton and Kearns won't qualify at 3B at the beginning of the season and I think you are really overrating some of the younger players.
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Postby io » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:33 pm

but in the long run they will be at 3b (unless Kearns goes down again) .. like Michael Young at ss last year, i dont think the wait matters much in the long run.... i kind of overrated some young players over castilla, batista, and blake becuase i dont think those 3 will do as great next year.. after Lowell, i think theyre all about similar gambles. also forgot about Aaron Boone and a bunch of other guys
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:55 pm

My November guess:

Top 12:
Arod
Rolen
Beltre
Chavez
Blalock
Glaus
Lowell
Huff
Mora
CJones
Ramirez
Burroughs

Honorable mention: Wright, Figgins, Blake, Hillenbrand, Mueller, Castilla
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Postby dleoboyd » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:23 pm

Cornbread Maxwell wrote:My November guess:

Top 12:
Arod
Rolen
Beltre
Chavez
Blalock
Glaus
Lowell
Huff
Mora
CJones
Ramirez
Burroughs

Honorable mention: Wright, Figgins, Blake, Hillenbrand, Mueller, Castilla



Not a big Aramis Ramirez fan, huh? Just curious, why do you have him ranked so low? I'm just interested to hear your reasoning. :-)
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Postby Pedantic » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:53 pm

dleoboyd wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:My November guess:

Top 12:
Arod
Rolen
Beltre
Chavez
Blalock
Glaus
Lowell
Huff
Mora
CJones
Ramirez
Burroughs

Honorable mention: Wright, Figgins, Blake, Hillenbrand, Mueller, Castilla



Not a big Aramis Ramirez fan, huh? Just curious, why do you have him ranked so low? I'm just interested to hear your reasoning. :-)


Probably that .791 career OPS. I'm betting 2004 was a career year.
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Postby dleoboyd » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:27 pm

Pedantic wrote:
dleoboyd wrote:
Cornbread Maxwell wrote:My November guess:

Top 12:
Arod
Rolen
Beltre
Chavez
Blalock
Glaus
Lowell
Huff
Mora
CJones
Ramirez
Burroughs

Honorable mention: Wright, Figgins, Blake, Hillenbrand, Mueller, Castilla



Not a big Aramis Ramirez fan, huh? Just curious, why do you have him ranked so low? I'm just interested to hear your reasoning. :-)


Probably that .791 career OPS. I'm betting 2004 was a career year.


I didn't see your rankings in here.....Do you feel the same way about Adrian Beltre and his career .794 OPS?
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Postby Amazinz » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:28 pm

I think Tavish nailed it when he said this will be a dangerous position to draft this coming year. There are just as many guys who could have breakout years as there are monumental slides waiting to happen. With that said, this is the position I am least sure about but for what it's worth here is my 5x5 Roto prelim:

01. Rodriguez
02. Mora
03. Rolen
04. Beltre
05. Huff
06. Wright
07. Blalock
08. Chavez
09. Ramirez
10. Larry
11. Glaus
12. Lowell
13. Blake
14. Bellhorn
15. Hillenbrand
16. Figgins
17. Koskie
18. Mueller
19. Randa
20. Uribe

Statistically Boone and Burroughs came in around the low 20s for 5x5. I have no idea how to guage MacPherson and Atkins at this point, same with Upton.
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Postby dleoboyd » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:33 pm

I forgot to mention that 2004 was Aramis Ramirez' 2nd .300, 30+HR, 100+ RBI season and it was his third with over 25 HR and 100 RBIs......so it really couldn't be a one year thing, I suppose it could have been a career year, but he is only 26........
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Postby dleoboyd » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:37 pm

Amazinz wrote:I think Tavish nailed it when he said this will be a dangerous position to draft this coming year. There are just as many guys who could have breakout years as there are monumental slides waiting to happen. With that said, this is the position I am least sure about but for what it's worth here is my 5x5 Roto prelim:

01. Rodriguez
02. Mora
03. Rolen
04. Beltre
05. Huff
06. Wright
07. Blalock
08. Chavez
09. Ramirez
10. Larry
11. Glaus
12. Lowell
13. Blake
14. Bellhorn
15. Hillenbrand
16. Figgins
17. Koskie
18. Mueller
19. Randa
20. Uribe

Statistically Boone and Burroughs came in around the low 20s for 5x5. I have no idea how to guage MacPherson and Atkins at this point, same with Upton.



Interesting rankings. That is the highest I've ever seen Melvin Mora and David Wright that is also the lowest I've seen Eric Chavez, what is the rationale you used in your rankings? Is this the order you would draft them in, or is this based on your projections for next season?
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Postby Pedantic » Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:45 pm

dleoboyd wrote:I forgot to mention that 2004 was Aramis Ramirez' 2nd .300, 30+HR, 100+ RBI season and it was his third with over 25 HR and 100 RBIs......so it really couldn't be a one year thing, I suppose it could have been a career year, but he is only 26........


Yeah, you're right, he did have a year over or better than .300, 30 HR, and 100 RBI. Look at the year after that. 2005 is the year after.

Of course, it's possible he continues his upward trend. It's possible he disappoints sorely. Anything is possible. What we want is what's most probable. I don't know about you, but I don't see Ramirez as a bet I'd particularly like to take as early as he'll likely be taken.

Beltre is an entirely different scenario than Ramirez, IMO. He's a player who's always had an immense talent and finally realized it. And you won't see my rankings up here, ever. Far too many people I'm in leagues with lurk in the shadows here. Yeah, you know who you are. ;-) :-D

On a side note, is it just me or is Ramirez aging in reverse? Didn't he used to be twenty-eight? I've never known a player from the Dominican to jump back two years. :-?
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