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Postby Rico The Retard » Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:38 pm

there first names both start with A and neither of them were born in the US, so there are two more similarities
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Postby Secret Avatar » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:09 pm

What more similarities do you need, you wise@sses? ;-)

Seriously, I don't see why everyone is so down on Beltre on this forum. Maybe I'm biased because I have him on my team (I traded for him) but the man's numbers last year -- in a pitchers park, hurt most of the year, and not on a good team -- were amazing. Now, I guess it could be a fluke. Anything's possible. But do the research on the guy. He's 25. For 2004, he shortened up his swing and showed much more patience at the plate. The way I see it, this is a correction that shows he's turned a corner.

It's not true that all his years were disappointing. His first few years were actually promising and he improved each year. Then he fell into a hole between 2001 and 2003 when he was swinging at anything. I believe he has corrected this error.

In the end, it's hard to argue with Beltre's 334 BA and 48 HRs at age 25. That's better than any year Pujols had (and in some cases much better) with the exception of Pujol's BA in 2003. And let's not forget it was in LA. So yeah -- I'm extremely bullish on the guy! :-)
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Postby BumpWills » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:31 pm

I'm higher on Beltre than most in this forum. I think he may have a Rolen (or slightly better) type career when all is said and done. But he's not Pujols. At the age of 24 Pujols has had 4 (out of a possible 4) MVP calibre season's. Beltre is one year older and has had one MVP calibre season.

Beltre had some very promising season's early in his career. Pujols has been an MVP candidate since he made his debut.

At the end of their career's, assuming good health, Pujols will almost assuredly have had a more productive career, he's already three HOF-type season's ahead of Beltre. That's a lot to make up.

Now, of coure if we find out that Pujols has been lying about his age and he is actually 30 years-old, that changes my arguement significantly.
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Postby Sox FANatic001 » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:36 pm

Secret Avatar wrote:What more similarities do you need, you wise@sses? ;-)

Seriously, I don't see why everyone is so down on Beltre on this forum. Maybe I'm biased because I have him on my team (I traded for him) but the man's numbers last year -- in a pitchers park, hurt most of the year, and not on a good team -- were amazing. Now, I guess it could be a fluke. Anything's possible. But do the research on the guy. He's 25. For 2004, he shortened up his swing and showed much more patience at the plate. The way I see it, this is a correction that shows he's turned a corner.

It's not true that all his years were disappointing. His first few years were actually promising and he improved each year. Then he fell into a hole between 2001 and 2003 when he was swinging at anything. I believe he has corrected this error.

In the end, it's hard to argue with Beltre's 334 BA and 48 HRs at age 25. That's better than any year Pujols had (and in some cases much better) with the exception of Pujol's BA in 2003. And let's not forget it was in LA. So yeah -- I'm extremely bullish on the guy! :-)


yeah, hes good, but pujols is one of hte best in the game...
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Postby Rico The Retard » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:39 pm

sox fanatic wrote:yeah, hes good, but pujols is one of hte best in the game...


nooooooo, really
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Postby Sox FANatic001 » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:42 pm

Rico The Retard wrote:
sox fanatic wrote:yeah, hes good, but pujols is one of hte best in the game...


nooooooo, really


really
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Postby BumpWills » Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:46 pm

Check out, at the bottom of the page, similiar hitters through age..
Notice all the hall of famers on Pujols' page. Incidently, this is a really cool website for anyone who has not seen it before.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beltrad01.shtml
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:45 pm

Alex Rodriguez
Adrian Beltre
Scott Rolen
Eric Chavez
Melvin Mora
Hank Blalock
Aubrey Huff
Aramis Ramirez
Mike Lowell
Chipper Jones
Troy Glaus
David Wright
Corey Koskie
Casey Blake
Shea Hillenbrand
Sean Burroughs
Bill Mueller
Edgardo Alfonzo
Vinny Castilla
David Bell
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Postby George_Foreman » Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:51 pm

david wright is in my top 10.

that's the only major difference i see between what my projections will look like and the ones i'm seeing here. i'd put him ahead of people like huff (actually, i think they'll have similar numbers), lowell, aramis, glaus, etc.

he would be a STEAL in the 7th round. but like i say, if all goes well for me, i'll be the last person to draft a 3b in most of my leagues. if these guys go where their true value is, there should be 10 3bs chosen in the first 4-5 rounds.
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Postby io » Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:58 pm

dont forget Kearns, Atkins, Upton, Aaron Boone... def. alot of 3b's at utl next year

1 Alex Rodriguez
2 Eric Chavez
3 Hank Blalock
4 Scott Rolen
5 Aubrey Huff
6 Aramis Ramirez
7 Adrian Beltre
8 David Wright
9 Melvin Mora
11 Troy Glaus
12 Chipper Jones
13 Mike Lowell
14 Austin Kearns
15 Garret Atkins
16 BJ Upton
17 A. Boone
18 Chone Figgins, Bill Mueller, Dallas McPherson, Casey Blake, Tony Batista, Vinny Castilla, ect..
19 Corie Koskie, Sean Burroughs, Ty Wigginton, Eric Hinske, Edgardo Alfonzo, Chad Tracy, Terry Tiffee, Mark Teahan
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