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Postby San D » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:01 pm

Here's my take...looks very deep. Not sure if I've forgotten anyone.

Miguel Tejada

Derek Jeter....great second half
Edgar Renteria.....will do between 2003 and 2004

Nomar Garciaparra.....should have chip on shoulder
Jimmy Rollins....really improved last year....can he do so again?
Michael Young
Rafael Furcal
Orlando Cabrera....depends where he signs
Carlos Guillen.....stud last year only. Coming off injury.

BJ Upton....for this tier, I'll take young upside
Jack Wilson
Kaz Matsui...should improve a little, but don't expect too much
Julio Lugo

Other
Jose Reyes....played only 10. Should qualify early. Top 8 potential but the legs scare me.
Jose Lopez.....I don't know much about him. But he's 21 has decent numbers and has a starting gig.
Angel Berroa.....I hate him.
Alex Cintron....playing 2B, but qualifies at SS. Not as bad as last year. 6-2" and 27 years old. Could be good late pick.
Khalil Greene.....should improve batting at top of order. Better baseball player than fantasy player.
Jhonny Peralta.....was a minor league MVP last year but K's too much with low power and SB totals
Clint Barmes.....interests me because he may be Colorado's SS next year.

No one else really excites me. Guzman, Valentin, Eckstein, Vizquel, Izturis, Woodward.
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Postby GameOn » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:29 pm

this is how I rank them...

Tejada
Garciaparra
Jeter
Renteria
Orlando Cabrera
Mike Young
Furcal
Jose Reyes (If he qualifies)
Kaz Matsui
Rollins
Guillen
Upton
Uribe (Doesn't He Qualify?)
Cesar Izturis
Khalil Greene



Everyone else including Berroa, I think he is garbage.

As for overrated SSs I stay away from: Jeter and Renteria...I would rather get Orlando Cabrera or Mike young 8 rounds later. Tejada is definitely the number 1 guy now, and Nomah will definitely put up some good numbers next year making him number 2, the rest of the competition is lagging behind though I would would wait until later in the draft if I could not get one of the top 2.
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Postby Baseballer02 » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:41 pm

GameOn wrote:this is how I rank them...

Tejada
Garciaparra
Jeter
Renteria
Orlando Cabrera
Mike Young
Furcal
Jose Reyes (If he qualifies)
Kaz Matsui
Rollins
Guillen
Upton
Uribe (Doesn't He Qualify?)
Cesar Izturis
Khalil Greene



Everyone else including Berroa, I think he is garbage.

As for overrated SSs I stay away from: Jeter and Renteria...I would rather get Orlando Cabrera or Mike young 8 rounds later. Tejada is definitely the number 1 guy now, and Nomah will definitely put up some good numbers next year making him number 2, the rest of the competition is lagging behind though I would would wait until later in the draft if I could not get one of the top 2.


You honestly think Michael Young will last 8 rounds later than Jeter or Nomar? :-? You'll be lucky if he lasts 'til the eighth round, period.
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Postby LBJackal » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:42 pm

I'd like to see a league that Young would go 8 rounds later than Jeter and Renteria. He's not very far behind Jeter IMO, and is probably better than Renteria.
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Postby Baseballer02 » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:44 pm

LBJackal wrote:I'd like to see a league that Young would go 8 rounds later than Jeter and Renteria. He's not very far behind Jeter IMO, and is probably better than Renteria.


I don't believe what I just saw. 8-o

I would've never dreamed of seeing you make a post saying someone is better than Renteria.

Nice to see you post something other than giving almighty praise to the hyped up shortstop, though. ;-D
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Postby kentx12 » Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:31 pm

San D, Dont see how you can have young 6th.
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Postby LBJackal » Sun Nov 21, 2004 11:53 pm

Baseballer02 wrote:
LBJackal wrote:I'd like to see a league that Young would go 8 rounds later than Jeter and Renteria. He's not very far behind Jeter IMO, and is probably better than Renteria.


I don't believe what I just saw. 8-o

I would've never dreamed of seeing you make a post saying someone is better than Renteria.

Nice to see you post something other than giving almighty praise to the hyped up shortstop, though. ;-D


It's the SB's... if he kept up the attempts like he had in 2003 it might be different... but without power, he's gotta have the SB's. I don't see him approaching the mid 30's again and that is where a lot of his value came from.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:44 am

I think Young could be better than that maybe, last year was pretty hard to top though. Nomar is probably too high, but based on potential and past performance I'm comfortable ranking him that high if he's healthy. I like Guillen and Rollins next year though to fly under the radar for the less serious owners. All in all I'd say SS is a little deeper than most people think, but not much. The head of the class is obviously Tejada, and the rest of the top ten you could probably draw out of a hat and get pretty good production IMO. :-)

Tejada
Garciaparra
Jeter
Young
Furcal

Guillen
Rollins
Crosby
Renteria
Lugo

Cabrera
Izturis
Clayton
Everett
Wilson
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Postby chinch sacs » Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:33 am

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:
Tejada <--------------AL
Garciaparra <--------??.... I think ANA so AL
Jeter <----------------AL
Young <---------------AL
Furcal <---------------NL

Guillen <--------------AL
Rollins <--------------NL
Crosby <-------------AL
Renteria <------------??.... I think STL so NL
Lugo <----------------AL

Cabrera <------------??.... I think BOS so AL
Izturis <--------------NL
Clayton <-------------NL
Everett <-------------NL
Wilson <--------------NL


So, assuming that I have picked the right places for Nomar, Rent and O-Cab, if you are in an NL only league (like I will) SS is pretty much screwed?

In your top top 12 SS only 4 are in the NL (and forth best is Izturis :-P ) I guess I am looking for sleepers at SS this year... :-b
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Postby chinch sacs » Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:38 am

Anyone know who is going to be SS in CIN next season, I am pretty sure Larkin is out the door...
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