Tony Clark is my son wrote:Beltran goes first because he does everything. He can run, field, hit for power, hit for average, and do anything involving the sport you can ask him except pitch. (I know he .258 in KC and .278 in Houston last year, but he's definately more than capable of hitting .300).
Beltran hit .267 in 2004, and is a carrier .284 hitter.
TheYanks04 wrote:I am as critical as Arod as anyone (mostly for being a choker) but he still ranked among the top 8 hitters in the league on an OFF year. This based on a 10 team 5x5 Roto format using the rototimes valuations. His value was greater than Manny and Tejada who finished 9, 10. You can debate the ranking but this was an OFF year for Arod and he is still a top 8 hitter. Bounce back? You mean you are not confident he wins the MVP?
A-Rod had an off year for hitting but his SB's were a big aberration IMO. That evened out a lot of his hitting deficiencies (if you can call them deficiencies). I doubt he'll get anywhere near 28 SB's next year... but ya never know. The last time he had that many was 1998 though. If he can get his OPS in the mid 900's and keep his SB's around 25, I'd rank him around Beltran's territory. With the 30 HR/50 SB I expect from Beltran, with a .280 BA and tons of RBI/R, I can't justify taking anybody over him.
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TheYanks04 wrote:I am as critical as Arod as anyone (mostly for being a choker) but he still ranked among the top 8 hitters in the league on an OFF year. This based on a 10 team 5x5 Roto format using the rototimes valuations. His value was greater than Manny and Tejada who finished 9, 10. You can debate the ranking but this was an OFF year for Arod and he is still a top 8 hitter. Bounce back? You mean you are not confident he wins the MVP?
A-Rod had an off year for hitting but his SB's were a big aberration IMO. That evened out a lot of his hitting deficiencies (if you can call them deficiencies). I doubt he'll get anywhere near 28 SB's next year... but ya never know. The last time he had that many was 1998 though. If he can get his OPS in the mid 900's and keep his SB's around 25, I'd rank him around Beltran's territory. With the 30 HR/50 SB I expect from Beltran, with a .280 BA and tons of RBI/R, I can't justify taking anybody over him.
On this date in history Erboes agrees with Jackal, at least in the first part. On the second part though, I think you will be not even close. Beltran will not steal 50, nor 40, and may not even crack 30. The first stat to go after signing that big fat contract is steals. Besides, his big second half push in SB's was solely based on being a 40/40 guy for negotiation's sake. But that's just my opinion.
You think Beltran may not even crack 30? If he plays the whole year I can't see him getting less than 40. I think it depends where he goes because if they want him to run, signing a big contract won't stop him from doing so. If that was his plan to get a big contract, then the reason he'll get that big contract is partially for his speed, right (if his "plan" worked)? So don't you think his new team will want him to run? Especially if it's the Yankees?
Also, I thought you didn't believe in "contract years" making payers better ???
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i know it ain't gonna happen but manny in top three?
He always has good numbers and i trust him to do it again next year more then beltran. i also think that some people are forgeting sorriano. The best at 2b after him there is no reason for a 2b man until very late. it will prolly be
1 king Albert
2 M. Vladi. P 3 $-rod (jerk)
4 beltran not if i'm 4th pick tho.
Its too soon to place him as #1. If he goes back to KC (unlikly, but you get the point) then he wont crack 40 hrs. He hit over .300 in 2003, but in 2004 he hit like .278. My number one guy much have a high avg, high hrs, high rbi and above avg rbi. SB should be around 10... so I guess I am saying Arod is my number one.
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by eftda » Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:37 am 
