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Postby eftda » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:55 am

not to challenge you LBJackal, but I see it as the other way.

Dotel is over rated and Mota under rated. But [I'm]* living in the heart of A's territory. :-/


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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:55 am

eftda wrote:errr... what?



anways, hi-jakcing the thread for a bit
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/p ... atsId=6111

Dotel did better in Hou then in Oak... (I didn't know that) So I am saying that Dotel did well under the pressue.


I really have no idea where I was gonig with that comment. I thin I was trying to argue that HR's are not the only way to give up runs/leads since I apparently misinterpreted your post....sorry. :-° :*)
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Postby eftda » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:01 am

na its cool...

but ya. IMO, the long ball sucks. I love small ball. single... steal... bunt... sac fly.... works all the time if the number one hitter gets on ;-D
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Postby LBJackal » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:04 am

eftda wrote:not to challenge you LBJackal, but I see it as the other way.

Dotel is over rated and Mota under rated. But [I'm]* living in the heart of A's territory. :-/


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That's cool. The reason I think he's under-rated is the general impression I get from people in here, so you're obviously not alone. It was basically just the HR's that killed him, so if he straightens that out... he should be OK.
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Postby eftda » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:05 am

Seemed to be like all the A's pitchers had off years.*


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Postby LBJackal » Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:11 am

Well Zito and Rhodes had bad years, but nothing less than what I expected :-D

other than that, Redman was a bit of a surprise with how bad he was.
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Postby Sticky Spice » Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:51 am

LBJackal wrote:As for Mota... he was never THAT good as a setup guy, so I don't expect anything different as a closer.


Umm...what? In 2003 he pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 2.00. Last year he had a 2.14 ERA and 8 W in 63+ IP in LA before sucking in Florida.

If others are like me, they are suspicious of Mota having the mental makeup of a closer, just as some of us are suspicious of Dotel and were of Rhodes. I think Dotel is/will continue to be a great closer. We won't really know about Mota until and if he closes. Who knew Gagne had "it" until he started takin care of business?
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Postby willieroe » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:29 am

Sticky Spice wrote:Umm...what? In 2003 he pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 2.00. Last year he had a 2.14 ERA and 8 W in 63+ IP in LA before sucking in Florida.

It's worth noting that Mota didn't really suck as a Marlin until the last 6 games of the season - his season ERA as of September 22 was 2.06, but he allowed 12 ER in his final 5 IP! Mota said publicly that his mechanics were off, but I am concerned about the likelihood of arm fatigue or an injury, given his recent workload.
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Postby tlef316 » Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:01 pm

i didnt mean to suggest that dotel had a bad year. i just think that 36 saves and an ERA over 3.5 is not that great considering the pitching staffs he was closing for.

i probably had him overrated going into last year, but i had him pegged as a top 5 closer(Gagne, Rivera, Foulke, wagner, dotel) needless to say, he didnt hit that mark

mota is going into a very smiliar situation. solid vet closer leaving, elite setup guy closing for the first time for a good pitching staff. We'll see how he does. I just think anyone drafting him as their top closer in a standard league is gonna be at least slightly disappointed.
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Postby LBJackal » Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:07 pm

Sticky Spice wrote:
LBJackal wrote:As for Mota... he was never THAT good as a setup guy, so I don't expect anything different as a closer.


Umm...what? In 2003 he pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 2.00. Last year he had a 2.14 ERA and 8 W in 63+ IP in LA before sucking in Florida.

If others are like me, they are suspicious of Mota having the mental makeup of a closer, just as some of us are suspicious of Dotel and were of Rhodes. I think Dotel is/will continue to be a great closer. We won't really know about Mota until and if he closes. Who knew Gagne had "it" until he started takin care of business?


He was good, but not great IMO. I don't think W have anything to do with greatness, especially for RP's. His ERA's have been pretty good but his K/BB isn't close to Dotel. Mota's K/BB was 2.3 last year, far from "great". Dotel's was 3.70 overall and 4.00 in Oakland. If not for the HR's, which are unusual for Dotel, he'd have been one of the top RP's in baseball. Comparing him to Mota isn't really accurate IMO. Mota had a very good 2003 but that's it.
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