Dotel did better in Hou then in Oak... (I didn't know that) So I am saying that Dotel did well under the pressue.
I really have no idea where I was gonig with that comment. I thin I was trying to argue that HR's are not the only way to give up runs/leads since I apparently misinterpreted your post....sorry.
eftda wrote:not to challenge you LBJackal, but I see it as the other way.
Dotel is over rated and Mota under rated. But [I'm]* living in the heart of A's territory.
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That's cool. The reason I think he's under-rated is the general impression I get from people in here, so you're obviously not alone. It was basically just the HR's that killed him, so if he straightens that out... he should be OK.
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LBJackal wrote:As for Mota... he was never THAT good as a setup guy, so I don't expect anything different as a closer.
Umm...what? In 2003 he pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 2.00. Last year he had a 2.14 ERA and 8 W in 63+ IP in LA before sucking in Florida.
If others are like me, they are suspicious of Mota having the mental makeup of a closer, just as some of us are suspicious of Dotel and were of Rhodes. I think Dotel is/will continue to be a great closer. We won't really know about Mota until and if he closes. Who knew Gagne had "it" until he started takin care of business?
Sticky Spice wrote:Umm...what? In 2003 he pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 2.00. Last year he had a 2.14 ERA and 8 W in 63+ IP in LA before sucking in Florida.
It's worth noting that Mota didn't really suck as a Marlin until the last 6 games of the season - his season ERA as of September 22 was 2.06, but he allowed 12 ER in his final 5 IP! Mota said publicly that his mechanics were off, but I am concerned about the likelihood of arm fatigue or an injury, given his recent workload.
i didnt mean to suggest that dotel had a bad year. i just think that 36 saves and an ERA over 3.5 is not that great considering the pitching staffs he was closing for.
i probably had him overrated going into last year, but i had him pegged as a top 5 closer(Gagne, Rivera, Foulke, wagner, dotel) needless to say, he didnt hit that mark
mota is going into a very smiliar situation. solid vet closer leaving, elite setup guy closing for the first time for a good pitching staff. We'll see how he does. I just think anyone drafting him as their top closer in a standard league is gonna be at least slightly disappointed.
LBJackal wrote:As for Mota... he was never THAT good as a setup guy, so I don't expect anything different as a closer.
Umm...what? In 2003 he pitched over 100 innings with an ERA under 2.00. Last year he had a 2.14 ERA and 8 W in 63+ IP in LA before sucking in Florida.
If others are like me, they are suspicious of Mota having the mental makeup of a closer, just as some of us are suspicious of Dotel and were of Rhodes. I think Dotel is/will continue to be a great closer. We won't really know about Mota until and if he closes. Who knew Gagne had "it" until he started takin care of business?
He was good, but not great IMO. I don't think W have anything to do with greatness, especially for RP's. His ERA's have been pretty good but his K/BB isn't close to Dotel. Mota's K/BB was 2.3 last year, far from "great". Dotel's was 3.70 overall and 4.00 in Oakland. If not for the HR's, which are unusual for Dotel, he'd have been one of the top RP's in baseball. Comparing him to Mota isn't really accurate IMO. Mota had a very good 2003 but that's it.
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