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AL MVP?

Sir Vlad
24
45%
Manny
11
21%
Sheffield
5
9%
Johan
2
4%
Big Papi
4
8%
Tejada
4
8%
Ichiro
1
2%
Pudge
2
4%
someone else...
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 53

Postby Bloody Nipples » Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:20 pm

If protection doesnt help, and the lack of protection doesnt matter, then how come Bonds walked 200 times this year?
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Postby Madison » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:02 pm

LBJackal wrote:
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Transmogrifier wrote:I say Manny. I think Vlad will win it, I don't think he should, though... the numbers just aren't there.


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They aren't? :-?

Vlad: .337-39-126 with 124 runs and 15 steals.

Manny: .308-43-130 with 108 runs and 2 steals.

Hmm..... :-?


I went with Vlad. ;-D


Manny's OPS: 1.009
Vlad's OPS: 0.989

There's more than just BA and RBI/R. OPS tells a much more accurate story. The big BA lead Vlad has isn't as important considering Manny has a better OBA and SLG.

I'm not saying Manny should win.... but the numbers are pretty close between them. Vlad will probably take it considering that the Boston votes will be split. And Manny's defense leaves much to be desired (although to his defense, he has to contend with the green monster).


I happen to agree. ;-D I just tossed the basics out there to show that Vlad does indeed have the numbers to make it interesting. ;-)
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Postby Mustangs989 » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:06 pm

I went with Manny, it really comes down to him and Vlad though, can't go wrong with either.
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Postby Pedantic » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:17 pm

That OPS difference is minimal at best, to me. And it doesn't mention the fact that Vlad struck out fifty times less than Manny. Go Vlad. ;-D
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Postby kentx12 » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:19 pm

I went with Vlad. ;-D
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Postby DK » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:27 pm

The guy nobody's talking about

OBP:
Manny: .397
Vlad: .391
Mystery Player: .410

SLG:
Manny: .613
Vlad: .598
Player: .583

OPS:
Manny: 1.009
Vlad: .989
Player: .993

OPS+:
Manny: 152
Vlad: 154
Player: 158

Who is this mystery player, you ask?

None other than Travis Hafner.

Just to throw you guys for a loop.
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Postby Strasil42 » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:36 pm

Bloody Nipples wrote:If protection doesnt help, and the lack of protection doesnt matter, then how come Bonds walked 200 times this year?


ya i dont understand that arguement at all. If you have protection your gonna see some better pitches no?
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:36 pm

Hafner had an awesome year, but he had the same problem as Jake Peavy: he missed too much time. He definately wasn't noticed this year though, like he should have been.

And protection isn't a myth. I'm pretty sure that I debunked the protection myth since the study that "proved" it to be a myth wasn't accurate. I think it was Tribe-Fan who brought it up about a month ago.
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Postby mocabeenow » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:47 pm

i went with Manny. tough choice though... :-?
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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:31 pm

Manny and Vlad are a toss up. I went Manny, but Sheffield has a case too with his WS. Any of the 3. Miggy made a few too many outs for me (RC/27), but his glove gave him the WS back.

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LBJ how was protection debunked?
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