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Postby chinch sacs » Mon Apr 21, 2003 10:59 pm

is it just me or is all the good players either slumping or hurt? jeter is just starting to play catch, beltran just got off the DL, griffey is dead, RJ is out for like 2 weeks, schilling is missing some starts, Izzy's and Nenns rehabs blew... Aaron Boone and Jason Giambi are sucking it up... Damon is batting like .250... im getting killed in ALL 4 of my leagues, no thanks to Mr. Berkman and Durham... and countless other "quality players"

just mad, and thought I'd take it out in post form... and Ive traded away: Preston Wilson, Vernon Wells, Edgar Renteria, and Johan Santana BEFORE the start of the season...

yeah I'm kinda ticked off...
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Postby jockstrap » Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:06 pm

but damon is still doing good. 15 runs, 7 doubles, 4 hr, 8 rbi, 4 sb, .247 avg, 497 slg. not great numbers but starter worthy.

and how bout ol' tejada, batting .175, .313 slg, 10 runs, 3 hr, 11 rbi, 1 sb, and get this 6 errors at SS. ya, thats not usuall for him but he will come back to old form.
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Postby Guest » Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:15 pm

Tell me about it. I have griffy, Torii Hunter, Paul Koneriko. and mike piazza-- And Pedro martinez's worst start of his carreer cost me the era, whip and K's category one week. my pitching is carrying my team still.
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Postby Guest » Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:38 pm

Why does everyone cooze for Jeter? He is at best a 20-20 guy that gets a hundred runs and 80 rbis while batting around 300. He's a middle of the road player.
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Postby EugeneStyles » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:21 am

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone cooze for Jeter? He is at best a 20-20 guy that gets a hundred runs and 80 rbis while batting around 300. He's a middle of the road player.


Yeah, because there are so many 20-20 guys that bat around .300 at SS... :-t

It always gets me that people are so quick to write off players that are good for 20-20 or 30-30, while talking up the guys that hit .270 with 40 HR's. A SB is as good as a HR in my book, assuming runs and RBI's are even close. In fact, it's so much harder to find a base-stealer with good stats in the other categories, that I'd easily take 20-20 over 40-0.
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Postby AtP » Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:17 am

Well. players get hurt every year. This just happens to be the year a couple of really big names went down.

As far as Jeter goes. I don't rate him a 1st rounder like many do. But he is definately a late 2nd to early 3rd just because he plays SS.
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Postby sinicalypse » Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:44 pm

i've enjoyed this season immensely so far. you're getting rewarded for drafting with balls (prior, jose valentin, vernon wells, randy wolf, woody williams, raul mondesi, anyone from the marlins for steals)

while sitting on your laurels and going for the giant names hasn't been as productive.

pop quiz, who's got more fantasy value right now, austin kearns or barry bonds? runlevys hernandez or randy johnson? preston wilson or bobby abreu? hee seop choi or paul konerko?

i think in fantasy baseball you have to stay ahead of the obvious picks and shoot for people who weren't necessarily studs the year before, but people who have good intangibles (low K numbers, people who aim for RBIs before home runs, younger pitchers without the lustre of the big names)

i have 3 fantasy teams, and i did a lot of overlapping wherever possible, here are some names that i took initiative to draft and ended up on multiple squads:

vladimir guerrero, 2/3 teams... traded bonds for him in one league, drafted w/#2 pick in the other (behind randy johnson)
luis castillo, 3/3 teams... perennial .300 hitter with 30 SB potential @ 2B.. cheap as well, ~8-12th round draft pick.
joe crede, 3/3 teams (cheap, but unproductive. dropped for hot players and will be re-nabbed with certain vets [ahem, manny] start putting up #s that dont require me having to shoot for the carlos lees of the world)
manny ramirez 3/3 teams. drafted in the 2nd round of all 3 drafts
mark prior 2/3 teams. drafted in the 3rd round of two drafts, and would have been my third round pick in the third draft if i hadn't told my friend's GF's little brother how i was drafting. he knew who i would take and when.
jose valentin. 2/3 teams. dirt cheap SS who is a veritable lock for 20 hrs, and i perceive him to have upside. he's the soul of the white sox and i think can go 30/100 in a good career year, which he hasn't had yet, unless you consider 2000's 25/92 a career year.
mark buehrle. 2/3 teams
bartolo colon. 2/3 teams
randy wolf. 2/3 teams
mark mulder 2/3 teams.
billy koch and jose mesa, 2/3 teams (comeon, guys)
tony armas jr, 3/3 teams
raul ibanez, 3/3 teams

my general strategy was to take bets with players who don't have the gaudy #s.. for example, why spend high on miguel tejada when jose valentin can get me within 10-15 HR and likely 25-30 RBIs of miggy? i figured cores of vlad/manny and bonds/manny would cover me there. instead of going after big names in pitching, like schilling, johnson, maddux, matt morris, roy oswalt... i went straight for prior. i figured that buehrle and colon are 15-20 wins with decent #s, wolf slightly better.. and tony armas had a killer spring, like a 17/4 BB/K ratio and 1.6something era. until his slugfest last outing, he was awesome. i still think he's 12-15 wins with a 3.5ish era and 180-200k. luis castillo was considered automatic for steals. and i figured that having an excess of OF and pitching depth could land me a juan pierre type if he took off. i love the game of raul ibanez. i think he's getting better with age, and not only that, barring playing injured, i don't see a big slump in him. last season, for the 2/3 of the season i had him, i don't remember a week going by where he went like 2/23 or anything. he'd knock in 1 here, two there, maybe go 1/3 or 2/4... and he ended up with 24 HR and 103 rbi. this season, he looks to be hitting the longball better, hitting for a better .avg, and i think the royals will be a .500 team, esp when beltran gets going. if sweeney can hit .330 again in front of raul, 120 or 130 rbis isnt out of the question.

so yeah, while the easy route with big names isn't doing well, it's fun to pick a bunch of 20-25 HR guys, young 10 win pitchers with ERAs in the 3s, and of course, nifty guys like raul ibanez to plug in at 1b or the OF.

it's a skilled crapshoot. have fun
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:44 pm

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone cooze for Jeter? He is at best a 20-20 guy that gets a hundred runs and 80 rbis while batting around 300. He's a middle of the road player.


Middle of the road? I suggest you look at Jeters career ops and compare it to league average, its not close. Then when you compare DJs ops to other ss ops, its even a much bigger margin. Factor in DJ sb, and hes a $30 player. In the last 5 years DJ earned between $29-$36. And i dont really care for the guy, but hes still the 4th best ss. Middle of road would be the 15th best ss.
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Postby wrveres » Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:42 am

sinicalypse wrote:so yeah, while the easy route with big names isn't doing well, it's fun to pick a bunch of 20-25 HR guys, young 10 win pitchers with ERAs in the 3s, and of course, nifty guys like raul ibanez to plug in at 1b or the OF.

it's a skilled crapshoot. have fun


And that exact srategy has me in first place in my NL money league. Except I took it a bit farther. I required that the 20-25 hr guys at least steal 10 bases and then just picked up Pierre for the capper.
I saved all my money at the corner's. It is where most people spend the most money anyway's. I ended up with Choi and Bellhorn. Could be worse but they were only 1.00 ea.

All of the money I saved I spent on the most feared pitching staff in all fantasy lore.

This is my NL Only 5x5 money league staff
Maddux
Prior
Wolf
Beckett
Tomko
Peavy

Smoltz
Williamson
Worrell

Figure i'll trade a closer once I pad my lead
They can just hand me the check now. I should lead every Pitching cat.

and to your point .. almost everyone of these players is on another roster somewhere under my fantasy guise.
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