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Postby DominicanLou » Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:26 pm

There is supposedly a tape recording where Bond's trainer admits he used steroids. He also says that through connections, he would know exactly when Bonds would be tested. :-o
Not good, not good at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1903019
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Re: Seems like it gets worse for Bonds...

Postby MikeeDee » Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:58 pm

DominicanLou wrote:There is supposedly a tape recording where Bond's trainer admits he used steroids. He also says that through connections, he would know exactly when Bonds would be tested. :-o
Not good, not good at all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1903019


Surely not good, but I thought we'd passed the point in the discussion where we were trying to figure out if people are using or not. The question is more: should something be done and if so, how and what?
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Postby Amazinz » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:12 pm

I don't think there's anything you can do except increase testing today and create a system that works. As far as going back and doing anything you can't. Some people will always asterisk Ruth's accomplishments because he played in a segregated baseball, likewise no matter how they handle it Mac and Bonds will always have that asterisk next to their accomplishments.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:54 pm

I agree they shouldn't go back and suspend/punish anyone for what was done in the past if it was within the rules at the time it was done as in the case of McGwire and others. That being said there really isn't a viable option for testing now because the producers of steroids are always one step ahead of the testing in making them undetectable. I'm not really sure what baseball can do about it. :-/
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Postby JTWood » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:02 pm

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Postby raiders_umpire » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:03 pm

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I agree they shouldn't go back and suspend/punish anyone for what was done in the past if it was within the rules at the time it was done as in the case of McGwire and others. That being said there really isn't a viable option for testing now because the producers of steroids are always one step ahead of the testing in making them undetectable. I'm not really sure what baseball can do about it. :-/




;-D i agree with you as well.....
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Postby FatGuyWithAMullet » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:35 pm

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Look at that cranium and tell me he is innocent.
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Postby LBJackal » Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:56 pm

raiders_umpire wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I agree they shouldn't go back and suspend/punish anyone for what was done in the past if it was within the rules at the time it was done as in the case of McGwire and others. That being said there really isn't a viable option for testing now because the producers of steroids are always one step ahead of the testing in making them undetectable. I'm not really sure what baseball can do about it. :-/




;-D i agree with you as well.....


Yep, as far as I know there weren't rules against playing baseball on roids until last year. It was illegal in the US, but I don't think specific rules or penalties were implemented in MLB until last year. As long as Bonds hasn't failed a test, there's nothing MLB can do about it.
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Postby DominicanLou » Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:32 pm

LBJackal wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I agree they shouldn't go back and suspend/punish anyone for what was done in the past if it was within the rules at the time it was done as in the case of McGwire and others. That being said there really isn't a viable option for testing now because the producers of steroids are always one step ahead of the testing in making them undetectable. I'm not really sure what baseball can do about it. :-/




;-D i agree with you as well.....


Yep, as far as I know there weren't rules against playing baseball on roids until last year. It was illegal in the US, but I don't think specific rules or penalties were implemented in MLB until last year. As long as Bonds hasn't failed a test, there's nothing MLB can do about it.


I know that were no rules against using steroids, but any accomplishment achieved while using them is tainted in my opinion. I think that if it is confirmed that Bonds used steroids, his homerun record will never seem like that great an accomplishment. Much like Michael Strahan's sack record, which was set when Favre took a dive, this record this always have a hint of sarcasm whenever someone talks about it.
Don't get me wrong, I still think that Bonds is one of the greatest, if not the greatest, hitter of our time. Steroids do not help in picking up a baseball that is travelling 95 MPH with movement on it, but they do help in hitting the ball out of the park.

His record is much like the the Cinncinnati Reds winning the World Series in 1919, the year of the Black Sox scandal. Yes they did win it, but it is not what is talked about when that series is brought up
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Postby so0perspam » Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:36 pm

FatGuyWithAMullet wrote:Image -------> Image

Look at that cranium and tell me he is innocent.


Ummm, so are steroids supposed to like make your brain or skull bigger???? I must be like missing something...



And if it does then don't tell Rico because he might be tempted then I wouldn't be laugh at his posts.
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