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Postby baseballrich » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:30 pm

Forget all of the other stuff...look what happens in the post season. He is the MOST CLUTCH post season player EVER. This coming from an Orioles fan. During the regular season he is a top 50 player but during the post season he is the best going.
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Re: Jeter

Postby Lofunzo » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:55 pm

baseballrich wrote:Forget all of the other stuff...look what happens in the post season. He is the MOST CLUTCH post season player EVER. This coming from an Orioles fan. During the regular season he is a top 50 player but during the post season he is the best going.


Not this postseason. :-/
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Re: Jeter

Postby Tavish » Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:01 pm

baseballrich wrote:Forget all of the other stuff...look what happens in the post season. He is the MOST CLUTCH post season player EVER. This coming from an Orioles fan. During the regular season he is a top 50 player but during the post season he is the best going.


*sigh*


Derek Jeter career numbers:
Postseason Ave .314
Regular season Ave .315
Postseason OBP .385
Regular season OBP .385

And this doesn't include this year's dreadful performance. He plays about the same in the postseason as he does in the regular season. His numbers during the ALDS are great, his numbers in the (more pressure filled) ALCS and WS are way below his regular season numbers. He doesn't "turn it on" during the postseason. If you are talking about defensive numbers, they are practically the same as well.
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Postby Tavish » Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:06 pm

BTW welcome to the Cafe baseballrich. ;-D
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Re: Jeter

Postby Lofunzo » Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:17 pm

Tavish wrote:
baseballrich wrote:Forget all of the other stuff...look what happens in the post season. He is the MOST CLUTCH post season player EVER. This coming from an Orioles fan. During the regular season he is a top 50 player but during the post season he is the best going.


*sigh*


Derek Jeter career numbers:
Postseason Ave .314
Regular season Ave .315
Postseason OBP .385
Regular season OBP .385

And this doesn't include this year's dreadful performance. He plays about the same in the postseason as he does in the regular season. His numbers during the ALDS are great, his numbers in the (more pressure filled) ALCS and WS are way below his regular season numbers. He doesn't "turn it on" during the postseason. If you are talking about defensive numbers, they are practically the same as well.


I am a firm believer that for the most part, you are what you are. As for Jeter, it's not so much as calling him clutch. It's like with Bernie Williams. When they need a hit, I have a better feeling when either of them are up.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:49 pm

baseballrich wrote:Forget all of the other stuff...look what happens in the post season. He is the MOST CLUTCH post season player EVER. This coming from an Orioles fan. During the regular season he is a top 50 player but during the post season he is the best going.


:-P I knew it was only a matter of time till someone would say that and make me lose my lunch. :~(

It's these kind of ridiculous MYTH statements why people attack Jeter. I don't believe in clutch in bb over extended periods. But even if i did, Jeter wouldn't be close to the best ever.

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Re: Jeter

Postby Lofunzo » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:17 am

HOOTIE wrote:
baseballrich wrote:Forget all of the other stuff...look what happens in the post season. He is the MOST CLUTCH post season player EVER. This coming from an Orioles fan. During the regular season he is a top 50 player but during the post season he is the best going.


:-P I knew it was only a matter of time till someone would say that and make me lose my lunch. :~(

It's these kind of ridiculous MYTH statements why people attack Jeter. I don't believe in clutch in bb over extended periods. But even if i did, Jeter wouldn't be close to the best ever.

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Hootie.......Pleasure to see you. Based on the time.......Wouldn't you be losing your dinner?? :-D
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Postby baseballrich » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:21 am

I am NOT just talking about total numbers. Jeter comes up big at the right moments...not just on offense but on defense as well. The play at the plate several years ago is as important (or more so) than any single or homer that he could hit. Stop only thinking of things as a fantasy player and take the entire game into perspective
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Re: Jeter

Postby blankman » Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:10 pm

baseballrich wrote:I am NOT just talking about total numbers. Jeter comes up big at the right moments...not just on offense but on defense as well. The play at the plate several years ago is as important (or more so) than any single or homer that he could hit. Stop only thinking of things as a fantasy player and take the entire game into perspective


Please do us all a favor and enter the word "Clutch" into the Search at the top of the page. You'll see tons of discussion about it. Naming a few great plays the Jeter made in the postseason does not make Jeter "clutch"; the reason he made those plays is simply because he is a great player, performing at his ability just as he does all season long. (And Derek Jeter is my favorite player). ;-D
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