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Postby so0perspam » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:19 pm

Madison wrote:I'd liked to have seen what Peavy would have done with another 50 innings or so. His name would certainly be up for NL Cy Young consideration then, IMO.


Totally agree, there is always next year though. :-/
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Postby LBJackal » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:21 pm

Yeah Peavy has been amazing...... but even if he qualified for the CY (which he does... there are no IP requirements) I wouldn't vote for him because his IP are too low. RJ has 71 more than him, which is HUGE. I'm pretty sure I've said this before, that IP and distribution of park adjusted ERA (ie: ERA and QS) are the two stats that I consider most. Nothing against Peavy, but he hasn't pitched enough innings. And once you take PF into account, Peavy's ERA goes from 2.27 to 2.49, which is still good. RJ's goes from 2.65 down to 2.54 though, so the diffference is really negligible. One more ER either way and they're tied in ERA. And again..... RJ has way more IP. Also, 7 IP/GS compared to Peavy's 6 IP/GS.
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Postby pokerplaya » Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:13 pm

I hope RJ somehow pulls it off. It will help get rid of the notion that a pitcher has to have a .650 winning percentage to be the cy young...wins and loses is a product of the team, and the cy young is an individual award in my opinion.
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Postby Madison » Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:08 am

LBJackal wrote:Yeah Peavy has been amazing...... but even if he qualified for the CY (which he does... there are no IP requirements) I wouldn't vote for him because his IP are too low. RJ has 71 more than him, which is HUGE. I'm pretty sure I've said this before, that IP and distribution of park adjusted ERA (ie: ERA and QS) are the two stats that I consider most. Nothing against Peavy, but he hasn't pitched enough innings. And once you take PF into account, Peavy's ERA goes from 2.27 to 2.49, which is still good. RJ's goes from 2.65 down to 2.54 though, so the diffference is really negligible. One more ER either way and they're tied in ERA. And again..... RJ has way more IP. Also, 7 IP/GS compared to Peavy's 6 IP/GS.


Oh, I definitely agree ;-D . RJ's got my vote, but I'd like to have seen what Peavy would have done with another 50 innings.
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Postby thetongueofire » Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:51 pm

it'll be a travesty if RJ doesnt win and i'll never have any sort of respect for those writers or whoever votes for the Cy Young. wins are totally irrelevant in judging a pitcher.
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Postby Tavish » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:14 pm

thetongueofire wrote:it'll be a travesty if RJ doesnt win and i'll never have any sort of respect for those writers or whoever votes for the Cy Young. wins are totally irrelevant in judging a pitcher.


You had respect for them to begin with?

Wins are not totally irrelevant, but they are pretty close to it.
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Postby Sunspot » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:39 am

How do Oliver Perez #'s compare to Sheets, Peavy, and Randy? I would imagine that Oliver falls into that "No Run Sopport=No Cy Young" NONESENSE!
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Postby ukrneal » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:14 am

Then you should add Zambrano to the mix too. He was their #1 starter for most of the year. He ONLY had a 2.75 ERA though.

Personally, I'd pick RJ.
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:42 pm

Ollie was good but even with the Red Sox run support he wouldn't deserve the CY (not that it makes a difference to me; but he's not a contender because he's not good enough, not because he doesn't have enough wins).

But yeah, if he had 20 wins there'd be more buzz around his name, just like it is with Schilling in the AL.
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Postby Sunspot » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:09 pm

LBJackal wrote:Ollie was good but even with the Red Sox run support he wouldn't deserve the CY (not that it makes a difference to me; but he's not a contender because he's not good enough, not because he doesn't have enough wins).

But yeah, if he had 20 wins there'd be more buzz around his name, just like it is with Schilling in the AL.


How can you flat out say that Ollie isn't good enough? What makes him not as good as Zambrano? Take another look at his stats please
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