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Postby bleach168 » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:12 pm

Explain this:

Compared to the A's, the Angels have less doubles, less homeruns, and a lower OBP yet the Angels have scored more runs than the A's this year. Maybe it's because the Angels have three times as many stolen bases? Nah... couldn't be. :-D
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:33 pm

bleach168 wrote:Explain this:

Compared to the A's, the Angels have less doubles, less homeruns, and a lower OBP yet the Angels have scored more runs than the A's this year. Maybe it's because the Angels have three times as many stolen bases? Nah... couldn't be. :-D


Yeah, it could be that they have a high SB%. The A's don't have a bunch of speedy guys so they can't successfully steal a lot of bases. The Angels can and do steal a lot. How about we look at runs produced per dollar spent on offense? That's a key idea of Moneyball right, scoring enough runs to win as cheaply as possible? I'm sure Vlad, GA, Guillen (RIP), Erstad, Glaus, et al cost a lot more than Eric Chavez and the misfits.

And let's not forget whose in first place in the division ;-)
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Postby Rico The Retard » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:29 pm

ever read moneyball????? the A's dont steal because Billy Beane doesnt want them too
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Postby DK » Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:58 pm

bleach168 wrote:Explain this:

Compared to the A's, the Angels have less doubles, less homeruns, and a lower OBP yet the Angels have scored more runs than the A's this year. Maybe it's because the Angels have three times as many stolen bases? Nah... couldn't be. :-D


In short? They've been lucky. Sure, they've scored 21 more runs. Congratulations, whoop-de-doo. They do have a much better SB amount (by 91), but have also made more outs on the paths (23 more). If you put those together, you have 69 total bases extra. Those account for roughly 20 runs or so, give or take depending on the situation.

The rest of it? They've basically been lucky.

Top ten teams in Runs scored in MLB:

1. Boston Red Sox
2. New York Yankees
3. Cleveland Indians
4. Chicago White Sox
5. St. Louis Cardinals
6. Texas Rangers
7. San Francisco Giants
8. Colorado Rockies
9. Baltimore Orioles
10. Philadelphia Phillies

Oakland is 13th.

Top ten teams in OBP in MLB:

1. Boston Red Sox
2. San Francisco Giants
3. New York Yankees
4. Cleveland Indians
5. Baltimore Orioles
6. Colorado Rockies
7. Oakland Athletics
8. St. Louis Cardinals
9. Atlanta Braves
10. San Diego Padres

Philadelphia is 11th, Chicago is 15th, and Texas is 20th. Texas, however, can score so many runs as they have because they have a .460 SLG, good enough for 4th in the majors. Plus, like Anaheim, they've been a little lucky.

Top ten teams in OPS in MLB:

1. Boston Red Sox
2. New York Yankees
3. St. Louis Cardinals
4. Colorado Rockies
5. Cleveland Indians
6. San Francisco Giants
7. Texas Rangers
8. Chicago White Sox
9. Detroit Tigers
10. Chicago Cubs

8 of the top 10 are alike in OPS, 7 of the top 10 in OBP. Philadelphia is 11th, Oakland is 12th, Baltimore is 13th.

Last year, Oakland was 21st in OBP, and yet 14th in Runs scored. They were lucky last year, and now the tide has turned. It happens.

Anyone who can't see a correlation between OBP, OPS, and Runs Scored, is simply blind to the statistics.
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Postby Mugrila » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:07 pm

well i don't know about you guys but i say ichiro breaks the record. :-) (isn't that was the thread was about? :-b )
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:56 pm

Yeah I don't know how it got turned into a Moneyball discussion :-D
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Postby Dr.DooM » Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:08 am

Currently 254 with 5 games remaining.
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Postby Rico The Retard » Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:59 am

back to ichiro
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Postby Madison » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:16 pm

Dr.DooM wrote:Currently 254 with 5 games remaining.


He could break it tonight with the way he's going. :-B
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Postby Arlo » Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:51 pm

slomo007 wrote:
raiders_umpire wrote:
hybrid wrote:and the jinx is on! ;-7



:-? do you think we have that much power?????? 8-o


Ask Matt Riley. :-b

Speaking of Riley, 1.82 ERA, 1.14 WHIP in September... B-)
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