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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:09 pm

Like I said it's apples and oranges I guess. :-° My frustration with baseball is really directed at the MLBPA more than the players and I took this opprotunity to pile on the ultimate scape-goat and victim Barry Bonds. :-?
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:12 pm

shortsavage wrote:This post got heated 8-o .

For the record, Aaron has given Bonds the go-ahead to pass him on the homerun charts and Bonds intends to do so. It should also be noted that at this stage of his career Bonds is as focused on his team winning a World Series as his is on anything. He is a team player that wants to win.


I can't say that I agree. Someone that tries to win runs hard out of the box to break up a double play in a pennant race.
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:14 pm

shortsavage wrote:Prior to the start of this season, Bonds said that he would be willing to take a pay cut if the Giants went after a bat to protect him, but the player's union would not allow such an occurrence. Why do you think Alex Rodriguez is playing in pinstripes rather than in Bean Town?

You are not familiar with agents either, are you?


Pay cuts are 1 thing. Signing an extension at a discounted rate is another. :-?
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:16 pm

LBJackal wrote:I swear, people will find something wrong in everything Barry does or says, no wonder he's given up on preserving his image.....


Given up on it?? Did he ever start caring about his image?? I don't have any problem with him other than that whenever he opens his mouth, he tends to put his foot in it.

As for finding things wrong with him, it works both ways. There are people that find fault in everything that he does but there are also people that see no fault in anything that he does. Don't forget that.
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Postby shortsavage » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:35 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
shortsavage wrote:This post got heated 8-o .

For the record, Aaron has given Bonds the go-ahead to pass him on the homerun charts and Bonds intends to do so. It should also be noted that at this stage of his career Bonds is as focused on his team winning a World Series as his is on anything. He is a team player that wants to win.


I can't say that I agree. Someone that tries to win runs hard out of the box to break up a double play in a pennant race.


I remember Bonds having to take days off last season when he attempted to steal a base the night before. He has had back problems in the past too. Barry does what it takes to keep his bat in the lineup for as many games as possible (Willy rubbed that bit of wisdom off on him). We are talking about baseball here, not football. The season is a marathon. If Bonds was in J.T.'s shoes last season, he would have given Pudge the hit of a lifetime.

My dad used to think of it like you do not too. Watching the Giants everyday, he has since changed his mind. I believe that this is an issue that is hard for your generation to understand. If I grew up with role models like Pete Rose, I think I would have trouble understanding Bonds' style of play too.

I guess you have to follow the Giants pretty closely to begin to understand Bonds. The national media do not represent him very well. And that is probably more his problem than theirs.
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Postby Lofunzo » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:45 pm

I watch many of the Giants' games on the dish but I will admit that I don't follow them as closely as you do. I also understand that it's not a sprint. It's a marathon. That said, even in a marathon, you might need to sprint at times. That's why you pace yourself. So you have something in the tank when you need it. :-?
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:46 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
LBJackal wrote:I swear, people will find something wrong in everything Barry does or says, no wonder he's given up on preserving his image.....


Given up on it?? Did he ever start caring about his image?? I don't have any problem with him other than that whenever he opens his mouth, he tends to put his foot in it.

As for finding things wrong with him, it works both ways. There are people that find fault in everything that he does but there are also people that see no fault in anything that he does. Don't forget that.


Yes, I'm sure he did try to keep a good image before. Now, it's pretty much set in stone who likes him and who does't - both sides have people who are on their respective side unjustifiably, that's just the way it works. I have nothing against him as a player or as a person.... some of the things he says aren't the brightest things but I'm sure if I had a microscope on me, or if anybody did, we'd get caught saying stupid things that we shouldn't have said or get taken out of context. The fact that he wants to break every record Ruth set is a good thing IMO. He wants to be known as the best ever. Babe is currently known as the best ever. Nothing will probably be done to change that, but he sure is making it more interesting. I can't see anybody being as dominant as him for a looong time.
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Postby shortsavage » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:55 pm

Lofunzo wrote:I watch many of the Giants' games on the dish but I will admit that I don't follow them as closely as you do. I also understand that it's not a sprint. It's a marathon. That said, even in a marathon, you might need to sprint at times. That's why you pace yourself. So you have something in the tank when you need it. :-?


The Giants beat Gagne and the Dodgers last year in an intense game. Bonds stole his 500th bag in the final inning of that game then went on to score the game-winning run. He had seven steals in 2003.

I think Bonds is one of the smarter players in the game (hehe, even though he has had a propensity to get picked off throughout his career). In his judgment regarding when to sprint, I trust.
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Postby Tavish » Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:57 pm

Lofunzo wrote: I would have rather not turned this into a Bonds vs. Ruth thread again but you brought it up. Ruth is without question the best slugger of his time. Up until a few years ago, Bonds wasn't even the best of his time. That went to Griffey and then A-Rod. While I admit that Bonds has has all-time seasons lately, I don't see how a 4-5 year span can vault someone from not being the best of their era to now being considered the best ever. That makes absolutely no sense to me.


The problem is that you are going back and forth between Ruth's vs Bonds in career acheivements that Ruth wins by a good margin, to Ruth's vs Bond's best seasons where it is very close. The past 4 years Bonds has been head and shoulders above every other player in the game, much like how Ruth was in his peak seasons. They are both the best sluggers of their era and play the game at a different level than the rest of the league.

A quick sidenote about Ruth's career Win Shares. He earned over 100 of them as a pitcher. I don't think anyone will contend Bonds was a better pitcher than Ruth. ;-)
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Postby thetongueofire » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:05 pm

Tavish wrote:A quick sidenote about Ruth's career Win Shares. He earned over 100 of them as a pitcher. I don't think anyone will contend Bonds was a better pitcher than Ruth. ;-)


lol good point. but thats what ive been saying overall as of today Ruth is the slightly better hitter but if you were to take Bonds last four years, they're arguably best four (consecutive) years anyone's ever had. ;-D
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