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Postby DK » Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:57 pm

Oh, do I hope that they use ESPN stats. Then you could factor in Runs Created, DIPS, RC/27, RF/ZR, and so on.
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Postby LCBOY » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:11 am

ocmusicjunkie,

If you need another manager please let me know. I'd like to play! ;-D
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:39 am

LCboy and DK, you guys are in if you still want. I always like a bit of new blood in my leagues every year ;-D

Whenever I figure out what site I'm using, I'll let you know. Heh... talk about planning ahead for next season.
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Re: Forming a Moneyball league next year... need input

Postby matmat » Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:58 am

ocmusicjunkie wrote:Besides the normal 5x5 league we always do, I've decided to make a Moneyball league on the side next year. I also would like it to be 5x5, but I'm having some trouble deciding on stat catagories. For hitting, it's pretty simple. I figure OBP, OPS, HR, Walks, K's. For pitching, it's a bit tougher to come up with five. With the options Yahoo gives you, the only obvious ones would be HR, K/BB, K/9.

What do you guys think I should use?


sorry, I just don't see the point of using OBP, OPS HR and BB.
you're changing a 5x5, which already has some category overlap into a 5x5 with monstrous category overlap.

if you are using OBP, drop OPS in favor of SLG%. HR and BB are spurious too -- they already get factored in OBP, OPS, SLG etc. either find a site that lets you use interesting moneyball stats (like RC/27, etc.) or stick with the vanilla 5x5 with AVG and HR replaced with OBP and SLGP.

that's just my view...
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:09 pm

^^^ I agree, there is stat-overlap. But some of it is on purpose.

Beane determined that OBP is roughly 3x more important than slugging %. That's why I'm using both OBP and OPS. It counts slugging once and OBP twice. Not exact... but close enough.

This also makes OBP the most important stat, with slugging, K, BB, and HR all secondary in value... much like the actual A's system.
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Postby matmat » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:24 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote:This also makes OBP the most important stat, with slugging, K, BB, and HR all secondary in value... much like the actual A's system.


well... i've thought about this in the past; I decided that it would be nice if places like yahoo would let you set values for each category. As above, for example, you then could make OBP be three times as valuable SLG such that a rank increment in OBP is worth 3 points, but in slugging it is worth only 1.

(winner of OBP wins 3x the number of teams in the league points, whereas winner of SLG% wins the normal amount.)


have you given any thought to designing a points league around moneyball stats?
i.e.
BB=3; H=3; HBP = 1; 2B = 4; 3B = 5 HR = 6;
i don't know how pitching would work into this or if the negative stats should be taken into account, but the above numbers do give you the 3/1 ratio you desire, more or less. Some combination of SB-CS mighjt also work well then if you manage to take into account the SB percentage that moneyball considers effective (75%?)
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Postby Arlo » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:17 am

matmat wrote:have you given any thought to designing a points league around moneyball stats?
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BB=3; H=3; HBP = 1; 2B = 4; 3B = 5 HR = 6

In a Moneyball-inspired system, shouldn't a hit-by-pitch be worth almost as much as a walk?
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Postby matmat » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:20 am

Arlo wrote:In a Moneyball-inspired system, shouldn't a hit-by-pitch be worth almost as much as a walk?


yes. Guess I made a typo -- I meant for it to be worth 3. :/
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:36 am

Shouldn't a single be worth more than a walk or HBP?
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Postby DK » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:42 pm

LBJackal wrote:Shouldn't a single be worth more than a walk or HBP?


Not when the numbers are that small. If you were assigning points to each in the double digits, say, a single would be 50 points, a BB or HBP 46. There isn't much of a difference to separate the two.
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