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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:16 pm

Besides the normal 5x5 league we always do, I've decided to make a Moneyball league on the side next year. I also would like it to be 5x5, but I'm having some trouble deciding on stat catagories. For hitting, it's pretty simple. I figure OBP, OPS, HR, Walks, K's. For pitching, it's a bit tougher to come up with five. With the options Yahoo gives you, the only obvious ones would be HR, K/BB, K/9.

What do you guys think I should use?
Help please:
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1086524#1086524


Harden- 2.15 ERA, 7.61 K/9
Peavy - 2.89 ERA, 10.10 K/9

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Re: Forming a Moneyball league next year... need input

Postby DK » Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:41 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote:Besides the normal 5x5 league we always do, I've decided to make a Moneyball league on the side next year. I also would like it to be 5x5, but I'm having some trouble deciding on stat catagories. For hitting, it's pretty simple. I figure OBP, OPS, HR, Walks, K's. For pitching, it's a bit tougher to come up with five. With the options Yahoo gives you, the only obvious ones would be HR, K/BB, K/9.

What do you guys think I should use?


Pitching cats should be K/BB, K/9, HR/9, BB/9, and... Hm... OBA (On base against)? If they have that.

If you have an extra spot, you know who to call. B-)
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Re: Forming a Moneyball league next year... need input

Postby bleach168 » Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:12 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote:Besides the normal 5x5 league we always do, I've decided to make a Moneyball league on the side next year. I also would like it to be 5x5, but I'm having some trouble deciding on stat catagories. For hitting, it's pretty simple. I figure OBP, OPS, HR, Walks, K's. For pitching, it's a bit tougher to come up with five. With the options Yahoo gives you, the only obvious ones would be HR, K/BB, K/9.

What do you guys think I should use?


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Re: Forming a Moneyball league next year... need input

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:24 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote:Besides the normal 5x5 league we always do, I've decided to make a Moneyball league on the side next year. I also would like it to be 5x5, but I'm having some trouble deciding on stat catagories. For hitting, it's pretty simple. I figure OBP, OPS, HR, Walks, K's. For pitching, it's a bit tougher to come up with five. With the options Yahoo gives you, the only obvious ones would be HR, K/BB, K/9.

What do you guys think I should use?


Why K's for hitters?
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:36 pm

^^^ yes, I am aware that Bonds will be the #1 pick in ANY moneyball-style league.

Why K's for hitters? Because, as the book states over and over, K's are far worse than other outs. K'ing shouldn't be counted the same as a fly-out or ground-out.

I like DK's ideas for the pitching... but HR/9, BB/9, and OBA aren't stats Yahoo offers (at least, not this season). BTW, I'll let you know if we have an open slot ;-D

I'm thinking that I may move both leagues to a different site next season. Anyone have a suggestion on a site that offers all of those catagories?
Help please:
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1086524#1086524


Harden- 2.15 ERA, 7.61 K/9
Peavy - 2.89 ERA, 10.10 K/9

[b]Lets go Rich![/b]
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Postby Lofunzo » Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:49 am

Make sure that you only draft pitchers drafted out of college and not high school. :-?
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:38 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote:^^^ yes, I am aware that Bonds will be the #1 pick in ANY moneyball-style league.

Why K's for hitters? Because, as the book states over and over, K's are far worse than other outs. K'ing shouldn't be counted the same as a fly-out or ground-out.


I just pulled my book out because I didn't remember it being so heavily emphasized in the book. Really, the ONLY place I can see strikeouts emphasized at all for hitters is page 171.

In fact, if anything, the sabremetric studies that undergird the Moneyball approach convincingly show that most traditionalists over-emphasize the value of a strikeout for betters. Overall, strikeouts are not worse than other outs, because DPs result in "other outs" being worse for scoring runs. If you remove DPs from the equation, strikeouts are slightly worse than other outs, becxause they tend to not move runners over. Overall, though, strikeouts are not bad.

"But strikeouts also prevent even more detrimental events such as double-play grounders,. It's been shown -- most recently by Ryan Wilkins at Baseball Prospectus -- that far from the conventional wisdom that batter strikeouts are worse than other outs, they have a slight positive correlation with measures of offensive performance such as OPS and Marginal Lineup Value Rate which correlate well with scoring runs..."
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Postby Rico The Retard » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:06 pm

Chad Bradford will be the top reliever
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Postby aberrant504 » Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:59 am

get brown
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Postby reiser » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:26 am

ocmusicjunkie wrote:I like DK's ideas for the pitching... but HR/9, BB/9, and OBA aren't stats Yahoo offers (at least, not this season). BTW, I'll let you know if we have an open slot ;-D


they do track DIPS on ESPN-I wonder if they have that available in their fantasy leagues yet.
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