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Postby Jester » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:09 pm

Only losing twice since the begining of June is pretty consistant and both those losses were 8 innings 2 ER games... and ten strait wins currently...

I just have a hard time giving it to Schilling with how dominant Santana has been... I put up a post last night about how Santana was being pulled in the 7th in many games lately, and the responses made sense: why keep your star pitcher in the game when you don't have to. What if he was left in? Last night he was throwing a two hitter, easily a possible SO. This has been happening alot lately with him, and for good reason...I just don't think this would even be a debate if he was asked to finish what he starts in these games.
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Postby RayD » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:41 pm

Jester wrote:I guess it comes down to Santana vs Schilling...

Santana is leading in most cats, and is on a team that is 11.5 games up in their, (though weaker than the BoSox's), division.

Right now he is averaging 1.15 SO/inning...incredible for somone with over 200 innings.

My vote - Santana all the way.


I agree on Santana. But Oliver Perez is averaging 1.24 K/inning, and no one's talking him up for the NL Cy Young.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:44 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:So is consistency worth anything? Santana truly sucked for April and May. I'm not discounting him as a pitcher, I just don't think he deserves it over Schilling, who has been excellent all year.
Santana has higher highs and lower lows but he has still been the best pitcher this season. Better ERA and WHIP than Schilling for the whole year, not just the last 4 months.
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Postby hybrid » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:45 pm

RayD wrote:I agree on Santana. But Oliver Perez is averaging 1.24 K/inning, and no one's talking him up for the NL Cy Young.


It may not be fair, but to win the Cy Young you usually have to win a bunch of games and it doesn't hurt to be on a winning team.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:14 pm

RayD wrote:I agree on Santana. But Oliver Perez is averaging 1.24 K/inning, and no one's talking him up for the NL Cy Young.
Strikeouts are overrated. Besides Johnson has a better ERA and WHIP with more innings pitched.
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Postby Baseballer02 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:20 pm

For those that like to bring up Mr. Perez in the Cy Young talks, I believe Ben Sheets should be considered before him.

My choice for the NL Cy Young at the moment is Carl Pavano.
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Postby Jester » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:26 pm

My NL choice is still Schmidt : similar numbers to Johnson with a much better record...for much of the year, nobody was more dominant in either league.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:07 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:So is consistency worth anything? Santana truly sucked for April and May. I'm not discounting him as a pitcher, I just don't think he deserves it over Schilling, who has been excellent all year.
Santana has higher highs and lower lows but he has still been the best pitcher this season. Better ERA and WHIP than Schilling for the whole year, not just the last 4 months.


Perhaps you're right. Perhaps my bias is showing. But I don't understand giving it to someone who truly stunk for two months--era of 5+--and he can be the best pitcher of the year. Clearly he's the best pitcher of the second half. Schilling has kept his team in nearly every game he has pitched. Santana has not.
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Postby Baseballer02 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:13 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:
Transmogrifier wrote:So is consistency worth anything? Santana truly sucked for April and May. I'm not discounting him as a pitcher, I just don't think he deserves it over Schilling, who has been excellent all year.
Santana has higher highs and lower lows but he has still been the best pitcher this season. Better ERA and WHIP than Schilling for the whole year, not just the last 4 months.


Perhaps you're right. Perhaps my bias is showing. But I don't understand giving it to someone who truly stunk for two months--era of 5+--and he can be the best pitcher of the year. Clearly he's the best pitcher of the second half. Schilling has kept his team in nearly every game he has pitched. Santana has not.


Look at the win totals, they're only different by one, so wouldn't that mean that Santana has kept his team in nearly just as many games?
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Postby Baseballer02 » Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:14 pm

Bah I said something completely wrong with that.
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