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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:41 pm

Chopper wrote:http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/baseball/brules/brules-26.html
No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.


nice Chopper.

I was just going to go look for that.

Churning is illegal and poor sportsmanship.
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Postby Thats NOT Snowflake » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:43 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:
Chopper wrote:http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/baseball/brules/brules-26.html
No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.


nice Chopper.

I was just going to go look for that.

Churning is illegal and poor sportsmanship.


And yet Yahoo can do NOTHING to stop an owner from doing it.

Having the rule and not enforcing it is USELESS !!!
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Postby Thats NOT Snowflake » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:47 pm

I really don't want to defend churning.

I've commished my Yahoo league for the last 2 years and this rule has driven me crazy. Sure its unsportsmanlike to churn SP's in an attempt to keep them away from other teams but there is NOTHING in the Yahoo sysytem that stops them from doing it.
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Postby Apex » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:48 pm

LBJackal wrote:It's sole purpose is not to hamper the play of others, it's to improve your standing in the league.

This is an extremely contentious point, and people are very polarized on the issue, but I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion that the sole purpose in "churning" pitchers, without starting them or using them in any way, is anything other than hampering the play of others. As distasteful as one may consider spot starting, there is nothing within the rules, nor is there anything that can be interpreted in the rules of Yahoo public leagues that prevents it. The same can't be said of this practice.

Important caveat: Private Leagues are only bound by the rules of the commisioner.
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Postby Apex » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:52 pm

Thats NOT Snowflake wrote:I really don't want to defend churning.

I've commished my Yahoo league for the last 2 years and this rule has driven me crazy. Sure its unsportsmanlike to churn SP's in an attempt to keep them away from other teams but there is NOTHING in the Yahoo sysytem that stops them from doing it.

It's true that there's nothing you can do in a private league. It's up to the commissioner to do whatever he or she sees fit.

In a public league, I think you can report it to Yahoo and they can take action against the guilty party. There may be nothing that can be done before the fact, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done after the fact.
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Postby Thats NOT Snowflake » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:02 pm

I think my last email to Yahoo was in June of 2003 regarding this subject. I have YET to hear from them. <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>

In my league I've implemented the rule of being able to pickup and drop 2 players per position per day. If an owner goes over that limit I, as commish, will lock their starting lineup for the rest of that weeks matchups. It has limited the churning somewhat but its a giant pain in the arse monitering it and staying on top of it.

Next year I'll be looking for a different site to host our league.
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Postby Danimal » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:28 pm

Some guy in our league has taken it a step further. He's a sharp baseball mind, but churned too much and I beat him in a playoff round last week. Some teams complained about his churning, so he started doing it more. Now, that he's in the losers bracket, he's still doing it, which really annoys me because he's essentially trying to screw over guys who are still in contention. Any thoughts?
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Postby Thats NOT Snowflake » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:38 pm

There's nothing you can do about it now. Before next season starts you can implement a rule such as 2 players per position per day. But even then the commish will have to keep tabs on how many players are being picked up per day.

Yahoo saying its unsportmanlike and yet it does nothing to prevent it. Very frustrating.
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Postby great gretzky » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:42 pm

if you want to discourage it (churning that is, not spot starting) you could always just do m,anual waiver requests and reassing those pitchers to the teams that request them in writing.

I think that it is a grey area, but its primary purpose is to prevent other players from using the waiver wire -- so it is a league disruption. If he had intention of using those players, well then too bad. I would overrule the wire in that case (if you can) and screw him.

churning does "help" you, albeit in an indirect way. It isn't adding points to your team, and it isn't taking points away from your opponents. It is only POTENTAILLY doing so. So you can't even say that he is helping or hurting his team by doing it. what you can say is that his primary reason is preventing his oppoents access to a FREE pool of players, in clear violation fo the spirit of the FA pool. I wouldn't allow it.
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Postby Madison » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:46 pm

Unfortunately, if the league doesn't have inning limits, transaction limits, etc, then you basically just have to deal with it.

I would not suggest "churning" to prevent him from doing it. I know several people who have had their Yahoo ID's deleted for churning. Sure, they just create a new ID, but you get the idea. Then again, if this is a private league, it's up to the commish as to what is acceptable and what isn't.

Best bet is to make sure your offense is on top of their game and win as many pitching cats as possible.

If this is a private league, then I'd suggest getting an inning limit, transaction limit, etc. Something to stop the "quantity over quality" tactic.
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