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Postby Pogotheostrich » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:17 am

Thinking about starting a points league next year. I want to find a system that isn't easily manipulated. Could some points league players help me out and post their scoring format? Thanks
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Postby Dice » Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:06 pm

After four years of playing both types of leagues, I've come to the conclusion that all points leagues are solvable in a purely mechanical way: with a pre-draft spreadsheet analysis. You really need the push and pull of categories to keep the play "honest".

However, I set up a points league this year where the goal was to have the least productive team of regular players possible. That was a lot of fun and not easily manipulated because it is so counter-intuitive. This is the scoring system:

Hitters
AB (1), R (-1), H (-1), HR (-2), RBI (-1), SB (-1), CS (2), BB (-1), K (2), GIDP (2), E (2)

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W (-5), L (5), SV (-5), H (1), R (1), HR (4), BB (1), HBP (2), K (-1), WP (2), BLK (2), SB (2)
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:23 am

Sorry Pogo....I don't play points leagues so I can't help much.... :-/

But since you did pull off the win in pick 3 this week... ;-D ...I'll give you a little bump to the top to see if someone else can help.... :-)
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Postby wrveres » Wed Sep 08, 2004 1:28 am

Sorry Pogo ... but I don't play points either .. primarily for the reason that Pogo mentioned
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Postby bboy » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:34 am

Dice wrote:
Hitters
AB (1), R (-1), H (-1), HR (-2), RBI (-1), SB (-1), CS (2), BB (-1), K (2), GIDP (2), E (2)


Dice - why +2 for a K? Looks like fun though. Be a laugh to see the winning team if you have it.
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Postby Dice » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:05 am

bboy wrote:
Dice wrote:
Hitters
AB (1), R (-1), H (-1), HR (-2), RBI (-1), SB (-1), CS (2), BB (-1), K (2), GIDP (2), E (2)


Dice - why +2 for a K? Looks like fun though. Be a laugh to see the winning team if you have it.


It was hard balancing expected offensive and pitching numbers. The 2 points for the K's made it even.

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C J. Estrada (Atl - C)
 C M. Barrett (ChC - C)
 1B B. Jacobsen (Sea - 1B,DH)
 2B B. Hall (Mil - 2B,SS)
 3B J. Randa (KC - 3B)
 SS J. Valentín (CWS - SS) 
 OF R. Johnson (Tor - LF,CF,RF)
 OF A. Núñez (KC - LF,RF)
 OF R. Baldelli (TB - CF) 
 Util L. Terrero (Ari - CF)
 BN D. Young (Det - 1B,3B,LF,DH) 
 BN W. Peña (Cin - CF,RF)
 BN J. Varitek (Bos - C) 
 BN R. Durham (SF - 2B) 
 DL J. ReyesDL (NYM - 2B,SS) 
 Pos Pitchers
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 SP J. Bonderman (Det - SP,RP)
 SP J. Lima (LA - SP,RP)
 SP C. Fossum (Ari - SP,RP)
 RP J. Bennett (Mil - RP)
 RP R. White (Cle - RP)
 RP Je. Nelson (Tex - RP) 
 BN K. Lohse (Min - SP) 
 BN J. Jennings (Col - SP)
 BN D. Lowe (Bos - SP) 
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:43 am

Geez, that looks like most of my teams. :-D
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Postby grebnots » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:48 am

what was the top 10 picks in that draft?
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Postby thetongueofire » Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:15 am

points leagues are more about "beating the system" than the competition than say your 5x5 roto league. not that its necessarily a bad thing... it can be fun, but like you said, points scoring systems can be easily manipulated and someone who has the system beat can kill the competition with a totally unbalanced team.

anyways, PTO, i think the first thing i would look at is making sure that theres no pitching/hitting imbalance. most of the points leagues i've seen favor pitching pretty heavily. i dont play points leagues a lot and i've never really tried to come up with a balanced points league scoring system nor have i seen one, so cant help you too much.. :-/
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Postby Dice » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:34 am

In my "serious" league, I did a full spreadsheet projection analysis for the first time. I figure out what the average starting player for each position could be expected to score according to the system, and ranked each player on how far above par they were. I trusted what the spreadsheet told me, and drafted 8 pitchers and a catcher in my first 9 picks.

The league was over within two months. I just can't go back to points anymore, once it's been solved. It's like beating a level in a video game.

Whatever you do, I suggest feeding the numbers of a full season into a spreadsheet to play around with the scoring combos, so that at least offense and defense are proportional. The big imbalance in my league was that wins were worth 10 pts and saves 5. An average quality start by a starter would be around 10-15 points, so that the bonuses rivaled the base performances themselves.

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