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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:08 pm

Rkiivs wrote:What a tragedy that I'm the first here to vouch for Ichiro. He's on the cusp of a hitting record and getting no mention? Is this biasness due to the team he's on? He's leading the majors in AVG and you can throw in 31 stolen bases.

Admittedly, this is a very tight race and all the names mentioned are deserving the consideration.

Maybe a good poll to put on the front page, mods?
I think it is kinda hard to vote for an MVP on a last place team when he all he does offensively is hit singles.
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:09 pm

Ichiro plays on a team that's 27 games out of 1st. Also, his BA is really high but OBA/SLG matter more than BA. Manny and the rest of the thumpers have a much better OPS. And they're also on teams who are in playoff races. I think that's why Ichiro isn't getting any support for MVP.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:17 pm

I would vote Manny.

And who was it whose sig used to say that if the A's are in contention this year then Chavez wins AL MVP, bank on it?

I want his .02 now. !+)
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:21 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I would vote Manny.

And who was it whose sig used to say that if the A's are in contention this year then Chavez wins AL MVP, bank on it?

I want his .02 now. !+)
I believe that was ramble and Chavez would have a real chance if he didn't miss a month with a broken hand.
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Postby Rkiivs » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:40 pm

LBJackal wrote:Ichiro plays on a team that's 27 games out of 1st. Also, his BA is really high but OBA/SLG matter more than BA. Manny and the rest of the thumpers have a much better OPS. And they're also on teams who are in playoff races. I think that's why Ichiro isn't getting any support for MVP.


When you reference OBA, is that actually OBP?
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Postby LCBOY » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:45 pm

Manny is the 2004 MVP. :-)

I was just looking at his career stats and he's have a wonderful HoF career. By the time he's finhsed he should be one of the greatest left fielders.

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3. Ted Williams
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:51 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:I would vote Manny.

And who was it whose sig used to say that if the A's are in contention this year then Chavez wins AL MVP, bank on it?

I want his .02 now. !+)
I believe that was ramble and Chavez would have a real chance if he didn't miss a month with a broken hand.


My bad, you're right. I was just looking at his stats and forgot about the injury. Thanks.
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Postby thetongueofire » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:57 pm

i believe give Chavez a couple of years and he'll be the best 3B not called A-rod.
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Postby Strasil42 » Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:24 pm

I think manny should get it.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:27 pm

Chavez would definately be in contention if he didn't get hurt. He'd near 40 homeruns IMO.

That said, Ortiz, Manny, Sheff and Vlad are all close in my mind. I love Miggy and he's one of the reasons my fantasy team is in first place, but I have a hard time giving the award to a player who's team is horrible.

Manny and Ortiz have eachother, so I'm going to cancel them out.

Sheffield has less support than everyone thought he would at the beginning of the season. A-Rod not having a great year and the Giambi case. Yet A-Rod is still a great player and guys like Jeet, Posada, Matsui, etc. are all in the lineup so cross out Sheff.

That leaves Vlad. Injuries to Garrett Anderson, Troy Glaus, Darin Erstad, Tim Salmon, etc. have killed the Angels as well as horrible pitching from 'ace' Bartolo Colon. Vlad has carried that team and they have a real shot at the playoffs. If they make the postseason it's Vlad hands down in my mind. If they don't, whoever has the best stats out of Manny-Ortiz-Sheff will get it IMO.
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