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Postby LBJackal » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:09 am

mikcou wrote:
LBJackal wrote:It's not really a month long slump........ he hasn't been himself all year. Michael Young is STILL doing better than him :-o And his SB attempts are going nowhere but down........ and without his 30+ SB's he's...... well, he's Michael Young :-b


I woudnt go that far he still has a lot more power than young


This year Michael Young is better so far......... the 6 extra HR Soriano has don't make up for the 55 BA points and 20 extra runs Young has.

Soriano has some catching up to do if he wants to be the best fantasy 2B in Texas, let alone the best 2B in baseball like he was drafted in every league.
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Postby strats36 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:31 am

jumpman8288 wrote:Yeah, but I'd expect him to turn it around soon. He's been known to go on streaks where he produces like a 10th rounder, but then turn right around and carry your entire team for a few weeks. Not consistent, but it's the final stats that matter, right?


Except in H2H where he's been killing me lately along with his pal Blalock! :-o
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Postby BoSox4life » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:52 am

Yeah...I really look stupid right now...traded Rolen for him at the break.
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Postby Pedantic » Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:45 pm

Well, if you look at OPS, then it would seem that something is definitely different. Almost a full .100 drop from the last couple of years. I don't know if it's part of a pattern or anything, but his doubles have dropped significantly since peaking at 51 in 2002. He hit 36 doubles last year and is on pace for less than 30 this year. What is up with this? :-?
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Postby G-Man » Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:53 pm

Pedantic wrote:Well, if you look at OPS, then it would seem that something is definitely different. Almost a full .100 drop from the last couple of years. I don't know if it's part of a pattern or anything, but his doubles have dropped significantly since peaking at 51 in 2002. He hit 36 doubles last year and is on pace for less than 30 this year. What is up with this? :-?


interesting....I guess the best thing I can say to fellow Soriano owners is to remember how scarce offensive production at his position is and to hope for a power/speed flurry to kick in sometime soon.

My guess is that the heart of the Ranger offense starts going nuts any time now and continues to stay fairly torrid down the stretch....there are just too many potent bats in that lineup to keep putting up the average numbers that they are.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:04 pm

Pedantic wrote:Well, if you look at OPS, then it would seem that something is definitely different. Almost a full .100 drop from the last couple of years. I don't know if it's part of a pattern or anything, but his doubles have dropped significantly since peaking at 51 in 2002. He hit 36 doubles last year and is on pace for less than 30 this year. What is up with this? :-?


Could part of it be the stadium? It doesn't explain the drop last year I don't guess, but some of those 2B's in Yankee stadium may be just long singles in Texas or maybe even a few HR's? :-?
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:19 pm

LBJackal wrote:
mikcou wrote:
LBJackal wrote:It's not really a month long slump........ he hasn't been himself all year. Michael Young is STILL doing better than him :-o And his SB attempts are going nowhere but down........ and without his 30+ SB's he's...... well, he's Michael Young :-b


I woudnt go that far he still has a lot more power than young


This year Michael Young is better so far......... the 6 extra HR Soriano has don't make up for the 55 BA points and 20 extra runs Young has.

Soriano has some catching up to do if he wants to be the best fantasy 2B in Texas, let alone the best 2B in baseball like he was drafted in every league.
Well he has an opprotunity to catch up, since Micheal Young is hurt :~(
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Postby Pedantic » Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:30 pm

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:
Pedantic wrote:Well, if you look at OPS, then it would seem that something is definitely different. Almost a full .100 drop from the last couple of years. I don't know if it's part of a pattern or anything, but his doubles have dropped significantly since peaking at 51 in 2002. He hit 36 doubles last year and is on pace for less than 30 this year. What is up with this? :-?


Could part of it be the stadium? It doesn't explain the drop last year I don't guess, but some of those 2B's in Yankee stadium may be just long singles in Texas or maybe even a few HR's? :-?


Well, it still wouldn't account for the 51 to 36 drop, but I see your point. Unfortunately, ESPN.com's park factor page lists the Rangers' park (I can never remember the new name) as 6th best in baseball for doubles, while Yankee Stadium is a desiccate 25th. So much for that. :-/
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Postby thetongueofire » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:54 am

i dont think its the park if anything the park should only help compared to Yankee Stadium which really is one of the not so good parks for right handed hitters.

methinks its a combination of him not having any protection (Jeter/Giambi when he was awesome v. Teix/Fullmer or someone even worse when Fullmer's injured is not even close to being close :-b ) and gradually more and more pitchers thinking they can throw to him out of the zone and get him out. i dont think cos of those two factors he not seeing nearly as many pitches as he was in the past. and being how impatient of a hitter he is and lacking the pitch selection, not seeing pitches prolly means not being as sucessful.

however that doesnt change that he was my first pick in a couple of leagues. i sure as hell hope he goes on a power+SB streak. :-D
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:29 am

Pedantic wrote:
SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:
Pedantic wrote:Well, if you look at OPS, then it would seem that something is definitely different. Almost a full .100 drop from the last couple of years. I don't know if it's part of a pattern or anything, but his doubles have dropped significantly since peaking at 51 in 2002. He hit 36 doubles last year and is on pace for less than 30 this year. What is up with this? :-?


Could part of it be the stadium? It doesn't explain the drop last year I don't guess, but some of those 2B's in Yankee stadium may be just long singles in Texas or maybe even a few HR's? :-?


Well, it still wouldn't account for the 51 to 36 drop, but I see your point. Unfortunately, ESPN.com's park factor page lists the Rangers' park (I can never remember the new name) as 6th best in baseball for doubles, while Yankee Stadium is a desiccate 25th. So much for that. :-/


Well, guess that shoots that theory down. :-D But I agree that doesn't explain the drop from one year to the next in the same stadium and basically the same lineup. :-?
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