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Postby GrimZeke007 » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:08 pm

Met Management's arguement

1. Kazmir is an unknown and can't be depended on for the future.

2. Zambrano is proven as mlb ready.

3. Zambrano has potential and upside.

4. Zambrano is great value for the future.

5. There's a big if neone wants Kazmir in the offseason since no one likes a highschool pitcher.

6. The pitching coach will resurrect Zambrano's stuff where the entire Tampa Bay coaching staff have been unable to do for years.

7. The beat reporter for the Tampa Bay D-Rays basically was trying to say this to the Met fan over the radio tongue in cheek: "Zambrano is what he is and will be that for years to come a relatively wild sometimes and lights out the other times. When I first heard Kazmir was in trade for Zambrano, I thought Zambrano and who? Who would I compare him to in the future? Uhh Johan Santana. Kazmir is definitely a frontline starter."

How does a tampa bay beat reporter know more about Kazmir than Duquette??? :-t
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Re: Kazmir Vs. Zambrano Short Term and Long Term

Postby Rirruto » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:17 pm

GrimZeke007 wrote:How does a tampa bay beat reporter know more about Kazmir than Duquette??? :-t


Which leads me to believe that JD and management knows something that we don't (mental, physical, i have no idea). There have also been questions about his durability. He's not exactly huge, 6' and only 170 pounds. So they were probably concerned about that.

As for me, I'm still very iffy on the Zambrano trade. I'm pretty much fine with the Benson trade though.
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Postby GrimZeke007 » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:22 pm

That's why you can condition and develop the body better in the offseason. I just looked at the heights of the BSox team and Santana and the shortest one was 5"11 Pedro with the avg being about 6'. Kazmir after being hyped to be worth so much was practically given away to what Lamar said would be an upgrade for years to come...
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Postby Rirruto » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:25 pm

Yeah, I agree. You have to get more than Victor Zambrano for your minor league gem, your LEFTY minor league gem. I'm just trying to be optimistic though.
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Postby warrick95 » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:51 pm

Hudson is 6'1" 164
Odalis Perez is 6'0" 150...which is hard as hell to believe, but that's his listed weight.
Moyer is 6'0" 175

There are many pitchers in the 180s, like Pedro and Oswalt. Injury risk may be a little concern, but you don't turn your back on loads of potential just for an injury risk. There's a risk of getting into a car crash when you turn the key in the ignition. Does that stop you from going to work every day? I've heard concerns about Kazmir's attitude, but he doesn't sound like somebody to be really worried about.

Kaz's stats in A are relatively bad due to a rib injury, btw. On Deck Baseball compares him as a lefty Oswalt.

Edit: In addition, it's not like he's 30 or something. His body still has to fill out, just like hitters develop more power in the early 20s. He can hit the weight room, too. I'd expect him to hit the pros at about 180.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:59 pm

Kazmir may turn out to be a bust but he was a perceived future stud who also happens to throw LH. Because of this, they have to get more than their new #5 starter.
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Postby Amazinz » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:45 pm

Peterson says that Kazmir will be prone to elbow injuries because he has an across-the-body style that the Mets could not change while maintaining the same velocity.

Secondly, Kazmir's value dropped immensely since the start of the season. Perhaps the Mets missed the boat on trading him earlier this year (although Soriano was not the answer) but it's not like they currently had people beating down their door to trade for the kid.

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Postby Rirruto » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:53 pm

Amazinz wrote:Secondly, Kazmir's value dropped immensely since the start of the season.


I haven't heard this idea before. What exactly caused this? I figured it was going up since he was doing better in AA than he was in single A.
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Postby Amazinz » Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:00 pm

Rirruto wrote:
Amazinz wrote:Secondly, Kazmir's value dropped immensely since the start of the season.


I haven't heard this idea before. What exactly caused this? I figured it was going up since he was doing better in AA than he was in single A.

I don't know what caused this and it's coming from unnamed sources and scouts so it could just be double-speak from the Mets.
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Postby LBJackal » Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:02 pm

Kazmir seems like a guy with a huge upside, but so many risks that it's almost worth it to trade him for somebody you know will be good...... Zam isn't exactly what I'd be looking for, but he's young and has room to improve. He's been pretty bad however, ovcer his whole career. He walks WAY too many batters. If they Mets think they can fix that... then I guess this trade could work out. But I doubt it :-o

Also, if I was the D'Rays, I'd trade Kazmir for another young stud SP, somebody a little less risky. They're going to be a great team in a couple years either way though. Great enough to come in 3rd in the Al East :-[
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