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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:48 am

FatGuyWithAMullet wrote:The Mets are the biggest losers....of all time.

I don't care if you're the biggest Mets homer here, there is no way you can possibly justify giving up Kazmir, Huber, Peterson and Diaz for Kris Benson and Victor Freakin' Zambrano. They gave up their future for two mediocre pitchers. They wouldn't give up Kazmir in the Soriano deal, but they let him go for Victor Zambrano? I realize prospects are just that, prospects, but giving up blue chip prospects for mediocrity is just borderline retarded. I guess they just didn't want to upset Mr. Error Matsui by having two Kaz's in the organization.

Also, what's with this "I can fix Zambrano in 5 minutes" nonsense Peterson is spewing? I hate to break it to you Mets and A's fans, but this guy is not the pitching god you make him out to be. If you don't wear rose colored glasses you can see that comment is freaking hilarious. "But look what Peterson did in Oakland! He made Hudson, Mulder and Zito!" Wrong. Ehcuod, The Celtic God of Pitching gave birth to Hudson, Mulder and Zito and taught them himself in the future, but sent them back in time to save major league baseball.

While watching Kris Benson get utterly massacred last night against the Braves I couldn't help but feel a little sorry to true Mets fans who have to put up with the incompetence of Jim Duquette, but then I remember these were the Mets and laughed.
Yesterday I agree with Rico and today FatGuyWithAMullet. But he said it all. The Mets cashed in blue chip prospects for average pitchers and won't even make the playoffs.
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Postby BcM » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:26 am

I think the Red Sox are really going to miss Nomar. The Cubs got a steal out of this deal.
I don't think the Red Sox will make the playoffs now.
I think the wildcard will come out of the West....A's or Angels.
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Postby strats36 » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:28 am

I think the Giants are the biggest losers for what they didn't get. A closer. :-t
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Postby thomasps3 » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:29 am

Well, I think everybody is overlooking two team....the Yankees and Dodgers. The Yankees get a 33 year old SP who is losing velocity on hi spitches, and the only time he had a decent season was in his walk year. The main thing though, is that they didn't get RJ, who was pining for the bright lights of New York. They siumply had NO prospects who were going ot make any kind of major league impact next year, and in the end, that cost them more than they know. Also, what the he** were the Dodgers thinking? They give up the heart and soul of their team in LoDuca, the premier set-up man in baseball in Mota, and a servicable OF in Encarnacion. They also give up their lefty specialist in Tom Martin. What they basically got back was a 40 year old OF in Finley who has nowhere to go but down, a serviceable 5th styarter in Penny, and spare parts in Choi and Abercrombie. Just one question....WHY???
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Postby BcM » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:37 am

thomasps3 wrote:Well, I think everybody is overlooking two team....the Yankees and Dodgers. The Yankees get a 33 year old SP who is losing velocity on hi spitches, and the only time he had a decent season was in his walk year. The main thing though, is that they didn't get RJ, who was pining for the bright lights of New York. They siumply had NO prospects who were going ot make any kind of major league impact next year, and in the end, that cost them more than they know. Also, what the he** were the Dodgers thinking? They give up the heart and soul of their team in LoDuca, the premier set-up man in baseball in Mota, and a servicable OF in Encarnacion. They also give up their lefty specialist in Tom Martin. What they basically got back was a 40 year old OF in Finley who has nowhere to go but down, a serviceable 5th styarter in Penny, and spare parts in Choi and Abercrombie. Just one question....WHY???

Very good point.....I couldn't figure that deal out either.
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Postby dundeeslugger » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:11 am

Penny as a serviceable 5th starter?


Why do you people hate this guy so much?

He's a good pitcher, and just so you know, he is listed as the Dodgers #1 pitcher.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:13 am

I am surprised the Dodgers made those moves too but Penny is much better than a 5th starter.
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Postby thomasps3 » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:00 am

Much Better? Okay, well maybe an argument can be made he's a good 4th starter, or a decent 3rd starter, but imo, he's just okay...career little better than .500 starter, with an era above 4.00, but that's just my argument...gave up way tooo much for him and spare change.

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Postby Rico The Retard » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:04 am

i thought it was a pretty good deal to take penny cuz he aint that bad plus they got choi who is pretty good and this abercrombie guy that i know he is a decent minor leaguer
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:30 am

BcM wrote:
thomasps3 wrote:Well, I think everybody is overlooking two team....the Yankees and Dodgers. The Yankees get a 33 year old SP who is losing velocity on hi spitches, and the only time he had a decent season was in his walk year. The main thing though, is that they didn't get RJ, who was pining for the bright lights of New York. They siumply had NO prospects who were going ot make any kind of major league impact next year, and in the end, that cost them more than they know. Also, what the he** were the Dodgers thinking? They give up the heart and soul of their team in LoDuca, the premier set-up man in baseball in Mota, and a servicable OF in Encarnacion. They also give up their lefty specialist in Tom Martin. What they basically got back was a 40 year old OF in Finley who has nowhere to go but down, a serviceable 5th styarter in Penny, and spare parts in Choi and Abercrombie. Just one question....WHY???

Very good point.....I couldn't figure that deal out either.


it seems they really thought they could work a deal for unit and they got stuck with players that were meant to be in AZ.

the mets really think they can resign benson and zambrano still has a couple years of arby so its not like its going to be a huge disappointment if they dont make the playoffs this year. several scouts and gm's think kazmir is just going to be a good reliever in majors but even if that is all he will be there is still the perception that he is a great prospect. they probably should have gotten another player/prospect in addition to zambrano.
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