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Postby Bea Arthur » Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:28 pm

Meinkewicz is terrible. Good defense, yeah, but just horrendous. No potential. Hell, Pirates are better off with Deryl Ward! Littlefield shoud be shot execution style if he made this trade striaight up.
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Postby Shermars » Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:49 pm

Bea Arthur wrote:Meinkewicz is terrible. Good defense, yeah, but just horrendous. No potential. Hell, Pirates are better off with Deryl Ward! Littlefield shoud be shot execution style if he made this trade striaight up.


Amen. This would not upgrade the team. He is no better then Randall Simon...and I am sure no one has Simon on their team.
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Postby matmat » Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:59 pm

from rotoworld

Kris Benson - S - Pirates
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The Pirates and Twins still appear to be probable trade partners in a Kris Benson deal.
There's a stong possibility Doug Mientkiewicz and one of Mike Restovich or Michael Cuddyer will head to Pittsburgh. The Pirates like Minnesota minor league OF Jason Kubel, but the Twins don't want to give him up. Jul. 27 - 7:32 am et
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


more than mientkiewicz, I guess.
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Postby godallahstar » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:11 pm

personally, i don't like restovich or cuddyer all that much anyways.

but there is no way the twins give up kubel, this kid is getting so much better in so little time, and showing real promise.
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Postby wrveres » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:53 pm

Amazinz wrote:
LetsGoBucs828 wrote:Anyone remember that Jason Shmidt was a Pirate once too. Why do we gotta trade all of our potentially great pitchers!!! For crap like this...

Benson is no Jason Schmidt. :-D



really ? :-?

Which one is Schmidt and which one is Benson?
A)
Code: Select all
Tm  G  GS  W  L  IP     H   R  ER HR BB   K  ERA WHIP  BAA   
PIT 32 32 10  9  187.2 193 106 96 16 76 136 4.60 1.43 .265   
PIT 33 33 11 14  214.1 228 106 97 24 71 158 4.07 1.40 .275   
PIT 33 33 13 11  212.2 219 110 99 24 85 148 4.19 1.43 .262   
PIT 11 11  2  5  63.1   71  43 38  6 41  51 5.40 1.77 .284   
PIT 14 14  6  6  84.0   81  46 43 11 28  77 4.61 1.30 .256


(B)
Code: Select all
Tm  G  GS  W  L  IP     H   R  ER HR BB   K  ERA WHIP  BAA
PIT 31 31 11 14  196.2 184 105 89 16 83 139 4.07 1.36 .249   
PIT 32 32 10 12  217.2 206 104 93 24 86 184 3.85 1.34 .249   
PIT 25 25  9  6  130.1 152  76 68 18 50  79 4.70 1.55 .295   
PIT 18 18  5  9  105.0 127  67 58 14 36  68 4.97 1.55 .295
PIT 20 20  8  8  132.1 137  69 62  7 44  83 4.22 1.37 .272   


:-D
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Postby Rirruto » Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:57 pm

wrveres wrote:really ? :-?

Which one is Schmidt and which one is Benson?
A)
Code: Select all
Tm  G  GS  W  L  IP     H   R  ER HR BB   K  ERA WHIP  BAA   
PIT 32 32 10  9  187.2 193 106 96 16 76 136 4.60 1.43 .265   
PIT 33 33 11 14  214.1 228 106 97 24 71 158 4.07 1.40 .275   
PIT 33 33 13 11  212.2 219 110 99 24 85 148 4.19 1.43 .262   
PIT 11 11  2  5  63.1   71  43 38  6 41  51 5.40 1.77 .284   
PIT 14 14  6  6  84.0   81  46 43 11 28  77 4.61 1.30 .256


(B)
Code: Select all
Tm  G  GS  W  L  IP     H   R  ER HR BB   K  ERA WHIP  BAA
PIT 31 31 11 14  196.2 184 105 89 16 83 139 4.07 1.36 .249   
PIT 32 32 10 12  217.2 206 104 93 24 86 184 3.85 1.34 .249   
PIT 25 25  9  6  130.1 152  76 68 18 50  79 4.70 1.55 .295   
PIT 18 18  5  9  105.0 127  67 58 14 36  68 4.97 1.55 .295
PIT 20 20  8  8  132.1 137  69 62  7 44  83 4.22 1.37 .272   


:-D


I'm really tempted to look up the answer but I wont. I'm going to guess Benson is A
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Postby wrveres » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:04 pm

A is Schmidt ... ;-D
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Postby Amazinz » Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:10 pm

wrveres wrote:
Amazinz wrote:
LetsGoBucs828 wrote:Anyone remember that Jason Shmidt was a Pirate once too. Why do we gotta trade all of our potentially great pitchers!!! For crap like this...

Benson is no Jason Schmidt. :-D

really ? :-?

Do you actually think Benson is another Schmidt? I know there are similarities and I argued in another thread that Benson has the stuff and is at the perfect age to "ripen". But I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume he'll become another Schmidt. ;-)
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:12 pm

Sorry Buc fans....but I think this would be a bad move by the Twins...Since they are going in a playoff push...Benson is not the type pitcher they need...a few numbers from this year...With runners on base, he has a .290 BAA...with RISP he is at .295....his BAA is .340+ when he goes past 75 pitches...His K/BB has gone down from 2.13 in 2000 to 1.9 this year...

A high BBA in scoring situations...combined with low innings...a declining K/BB rate...and switching leagues....I see Suppan with the BoSox last year... :-?
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Postby FatGuyWithAMullet » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:11 am

DieHardCubbie wrote:A high BBA in scoring situations...combined with low innings...a declining K/BB rate...and switching leagues....I see Suppan with the BoSox last year... :-?


Whoa man real original...they've only been giving this comparision on ESPN for the past 48 hours.
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