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Postby MrGrimmFantasy » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:49 am

This guy is still available on the waiver wire in my league and he's starting twice next week against CHW and DET. (8 team points league Tuesday to Tuesday). Is this guy a legit pitcher or a guy lucky to get 10 wins and about to crumble down the stretch. CLE's offense has been slightly improved lately but I'm a little worried about the bull pen.

Should I pick him up and expect a couple wins, or should I let him rot on the free agent pile.
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:02 am

I've said this enough that I sound like a broken record.

Cliff Lee is the best looking rookie I've seen since Oswalt. He is VERY legit.
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Postby shortsavage » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:46 am

A broken record of false data :-o (unless you were reffering to Lee's production in 2003)! Cliff Lee pitched 52.1 innings in the majors last season (in order to be a rookie this season he would have needed to stay under 50 innings in 2003). He is not a rookie. Hehe, I thought that he was though when I was bragging about picking the AL ROY in April :-D .

Cliff has had his share of luck. But he is also really good at getting out of jams. As his WHIP implies, he lets a lot of runners get on base (mainly via walks). He is going to be amazing if he can ever harness consistent control of his pitches.

Pitching in A, AA, AAA and the bigs, Lee only threw 132 innings last season (his third year of professional ball). He threw 154.2 innings in his first year of professional ball and 156.1 in his second. So, that is 147.2 innings per year so far in his professional career. This year he is on pace for 201.2 innings :-o .

I do not know how he could avoid slowing down in the second half of this season. He will still probably be above average. Count every win beyond 15 as a bonus. 150Ks would be swell too.
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Postby Precise » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:11 am

i'm thinking cliff lee will keep chugging along. he had a couple rough outings in early june, but you got to love how he's rebounded.

last 6 starts: 5-0, 37.2 innings, 3.60 era, sub 1.16 whip, 34 k's.

i think he is maturing into a legitimate #2 starter. 17 wins is attainable and so is 170k'. i'm sure his confidence is sky-high right now so i would definitely pick him up.
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Postby login » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:12 pm

Would you trade Jeff Kent for Cliff Lee if you needed wins?
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:04 pm

login wrote:Would you trade Jeff Kent for Cliff Lee if you needed wins?


If you have hitting that can take that loss, yes.
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:06 pm

hey shortsavage, I know Lee pitched some last year... but I hardly consider 9 starts to be much time in the majors. Technically he won't qualify for ROTY, but for all other purposes he's pretty much a rookie. I shall now start simply calling him "greenhorn" instead. :-D
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