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Postby strats36 » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:24 pm

What strategies do you use to try to get someone to bite on a trade? Specifically a two for one. You obviously don't want to go too low and insult the guy. After that, he'll probably blow you off no matter what. On the other hand you don't want to over pay either. Should you start a little below what you think he'll take and work up slowly or over pay slightly and forget it if he doesn't want it.
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Postby BigMusky » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:02 pm

Two for one deals are usually about timing. You want to watch the players involved very closely. Wait for the stud to slump or have a bad night and your guys to get hot. That is the time to pull the trigger and offer it. I usually offer a little bit more then what I think is reasonable because I want the deal to go through fast. If he does not do it right away I cancel the deal because you are going to get screwed. That means he does not want the deal and probably just going to let it sit there. My luck usually is the guy will hit the DL and he will push the accept button right away. You can then offer him the same deal again in a few days and he will know that he has a short time to decide before you pull it away, you can get people to hit on impulse then.
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Postby BillyMafia » Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:34 pm

I don't try to lowball anyone. I think trades can be beneficial for both teams. I deal from my strength to help their weakness and get their strength to help my weakness. I hate when I see other owners trade and I'm not involved because one or both will possibly be better.
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Postby StlSluggers » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:14 pm

I think the number one key to a two-for-one (you giving up the two, of course) is that you offer two players in positions that person needs to fill. This really limits who you can offer your trade to, but it tends to be very effective at getting an owner to accept a trade.

ps - I hope this didn't go without saying. Don't want to insult anyone, but like my father always said, "The ironic thing about 'common sense' is that it ain't too common."
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Postby Madison » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:40 am

I look at his team and figure out what he needs. Then I offer a fair 2 for 1 that helps both of us. Either he takes it or he doesn't. I don't sit around and play many games with my trades.
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Postby great gretzky » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:49 am

is this a one shot deal or over the course of the season?

As the early part of the season goes on, I try and get people to bite on hype players -- yet I offer fair trades that fill needs AT THE TIME. Hoping that I can slowly accumulate a value advantage --s oemtimes this works, sometimes it doesn't. But I worry less about needs and more about accumulating names, perceived value in the process. Like i traded kaz for tex when kaz had that stretch f stolen bases -- traded bonds and rhodes for pujols, that type of thing. slowly you accumulate enough that you can wow someone with an "overpayment" but really it is a strategic move to put the finishing touches.

So I think two for ones are always about timing, but also abotu needs. I sometimes think two for ones are easier to pull when they have assymetrical talent. meaning a hitter and a pitcher, pitcher and a closer. two hitters for a stud tends not to work as much from my experience. worth a try but can't count on it. I think more so than other trades, you have to overpay so to speak in a two hitters for one hitter scenarios, wheras people have a hard time translating pitcher worth to hitter worth.
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Postby strats36 » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:45 am

Thanks for all your advice. This isn't the trade, keeper, waiver forum so I won't go into details. I decided that he probably wasn't going to give up his stud for my mid-high level and another stud that fills his needs. He's got two midlevels at the positions already so it would be only one upgrade. I decided that a two for two stud deal that fills both our needs might be best. It's out there now. We'll see what happens.

Thanks again.
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Postby bleach168 » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:57 pm

The key to pulling off a 2 for 1 trade is making sure the other guy is really stupid. Good teams rarely have a "hole" in their team let alone two.

I have never done a 2 for 1 in which I got the 2 players. I'm sure many people who post here will say the same thing.
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Postby great gretzky » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:26 pm

never? sometimes it is a wise move. Especially if you had an injury. Even more so if you are left with an unbalanced pitching staff or need a specialist. They aren't inherently unfair -- it is just the most common conduit to an unfair trade. if you can trade an "a" talent in the Of and get a "b" talent and a solid closer because you need saves, then it can be a good move.

Or if your pitching staff ends up with two studs a decent guy and two guys who are just terrible (say derek lowe and colon) whom projections were much better. those two can erase whatever gains your studs have. since there is no cap on how bad a pitcher can be in any given outing -- you are sometimes better served in turning a schilling type into say an oswalt and penny (or whatever the scenario is). that way you can have reasonable players across the board who aren't gonna blow up and destroy you. This is one reason why I think when pressed, most people take the elite hitters over the elite pitchers. sometimes for your staff, it is better to have an anchor, then just solid depnedable guys, then trying to compensate all over the place for bad performances.
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Postby Lofunzo » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:33 pm

It depends what is motivating the deal for me. Sometimes, I just want to make a deal. In this case, I might make more of a lowball offer. Sometimes, I need to make room to activate someone from the DL and I don't want to drop anyone outright. In this case, I usually make them an offer they can't refuse by sending a player slightly worse than the 1 I'm getting as well as the player that I would drop if I had to.
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