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Postby NZF » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:44 pm

Don't pat yourself too hard on the back.

As far as I'm concerned the bottom line is you can always pick up a good source of saves in the late rounds and it is a crazy strategy to take more than one closer too early.

The fact you are leading the saves cat. by so much is entirely due to luck. In different circumstances Graves, Mesa and Herges may have got you diddly squat and potentially Foulke could have had 35 saves by now. This category is very very fickle. Swap Graves with the guy that owned Rhodes and it's likely he leads by plenty and you are in the chasing pack.

The point you make about being able to pick up a good source of saves in late rounds is valid but certainly nothing that any above average FBB manager doesn't already practice.
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Postby StlSluggers » Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:55 pm

This is why I don't play Yahoo...

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Postby Rohan » Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:40 pm

Ok, so you have 5 or so closers, your not first in your league, you have to be behind in almost every other offensive category.

Yes, this is a good way to get a lot of saves, draft a lot of closers, but most people are looking to win their league
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Postby ramble2 » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:07 pm

Sheesh, tough crowd! :-o

Look, I never claimed I didn't get lucky. I did! But in fantasy baseball luck plays a big role and you need to try to find strategies that help you make your own luck. Also, EVERY year I've used this strategy it has worked. Last year I ended up with Foulke and Izzy, among others. The goal is to be competitive and aim for a top three finish in saves without burning early picks on closers. This year I got lucky in that all of my late closer picks panned out. It worked about as well as it possibly could.

Also, I never claimed to have come up with a groundbreaking or novel technique. If you think it's an obvious strategy for any fantasy expert, great! But in the pre-season it wasn't obvious to everyone, as it was up for debate about when to grab closers. Those who remember the mock drafts will remember this. I'm offering my experience as evidence for the strategy advocated.

I'm sorry if it came across like bragging, I didn't mean for it to. I'm merely trying to follow-up on debates that occurred here in the pre-season. Not everyone who cruises these boards is a fantasy expert or veteran, and I thought my experience would be a useful one to relay to the Cafe. You know, contribute something POSITIVE. I'm just trying to show that you can be competitive in saves without burning an early pick. Lighten up!
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Postby ramble2 » Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:12 pm

StlSluggers wrote:This is why I don't play Yahoo...

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It's not a public league, if that's what your implying. It's a private league that is very competitive and full of active managers.

Rohan wrote:Ok, so you have 5 or so closers, your not first in your league, you have to be behind in almost every other offensive category.

Yes, this is a good way to get a lot of saves, draft a lot of closers, but most people are looking to win their league


In fact, I AM in first place in my league, by a decent amount (though I'm not completely running away with it, but hey, it's a competitive league and I'm very well situated). And, in large part because I didn't waste early picks on closers I am in first place in runs, home runs and RBIs. I'm also tied for fourth in stolen bases and tied for third in average.
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Postby Tavish » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:19 am

The goal is to be competitive and aim for a top three finish in saves without burning early picks on closers. This year I got lucky in that all of my late closer picks panned out. It worked about as well as it possibly could.


That about sums up my normal drafting strategy every year, except I don't really aim for top 3 only middle of the pack. I don't really look for a closer until the late 4th early 5th round. And only then if one of the big boys (Rivera, Gagne, Wagner) are left. This year I ended up with Rivera (4th round) and Nathan (16th round) and filled out my RP with Lidge (22nd round) and K-Rod (21st round). Both of them getting closing chances has helped me move into the top 3 in saves. Even without I would be in the middle of the pack and well ahead in ERA / WHIP.
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Postby INKcogKNEEdough » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:28 am

crip wrote:Uh...Why are saves so important again....It's just one category ????



It is not just one category in my opinion BUT i won't even argue that point.......


The reason they are so important is in the best case scenario there are only 30 players in the league that are going to get you a signifcant number of saves. That is ASSuming you can figure out who each teams "reliable" closer is going to be. Consider closer situations like Cleveland,Chicago(al),Oakland(earlier in the year),KC,Tampa bay, etc etc and there are probably more like TWENTY at best. You see it all the time middle releivers or closers even often can get you a win. You NEVER(RJ in the world series aside if i remember right) see a starter get a save and RARELY see a Middle reliever get a save(other than the occasional 2-3 inning variety. Go look at your waiver wire right now. Make a quick list of players you feel fairly confident will produce 10 homers, OR SB's OR RBI's from now till the end of the year. You should be able to come up with a list of at least 20 in no time at all. Now try to make a list of players available that you can say with a certain degree of certainty will get you just 2 saves from now till the end of the year. I am willing to bet that for every closer on your list there are 10 hitters. It is a simple case of supply and demand. If you need an OF there are 90 MLB outfielders out there to choose from(just counting the starters)......If you need a starter there are 150 or so. You can say the same thing with categories. If you need Home runs there are at least 8 players on every team that can come in the game on any given night and hit a home run. There is only ONE guy per game (not even per team) who is going to come in and get a save on any given night. Closers are to fantasy baseball what Running backs are to fantasy football.

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Postby Nerfherders » Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:50 pm

I value saves very highly, because of the rarity, and because if you have closers its a pretty easy category to do well in. I kept one closer (Smoltz) last year, and drafted four - Kolb, Borowski, Biddle, and Mesa. So I figured between 5 closers, 1 excellent, 2 good, and 2 dubious, I could win saves. Two of those lost their jobs but not before giving me 19 saves. Smoltz has not had many oppurtunities and that is the main reason why I am in second place. Still, Im getting those points fairly easily, at little cost to IP, and can load up on starters to max out the innings limit.

Closers are unique. They offer only one stat, but no other position can get it for you. And they are rare: There's only 30 at any one time, and some of them fluxuate (read: Cleveland). And its a position that changes very quickly. A 1B is going to be a 1B for a long time. Most closers are a week of BS's or a trade to a contender away from being nothing. So keeping closers is usually not a great idea, unless you have a stud.
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Postby Tavish » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:06 pm

Closers are not as rare as everyone tries to make them out to be. There are only two positions with more useable players at, pitcher and outfielder. A below average closer will still make it onto most teams while a below average 1B will never see the light of day.
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