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Postby bogie » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:14 pm

I agree 100% Pedro deserves to go before Javier.

However, managers no longer have complete control over who goes to the All Star Game. According to an article I read (see below): "McKeon and his American League counterpart, Joe Torre, only got to make seven selections each. The fans voted in the starting lineup and a vote of players, coaches and managers took up 16 other spots, including pitchers." Same goes for these sub's.

http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/c ... KOTALA.htm
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:19 pm

WHIP is the same, Vaz has a better ERA. I don't think this is a biased decision, since IMO Vaz has been better. I'm glad he took who he thought was better (presumably) instead of taking Pedro just so people wouldn't question his decision.

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Postby thetongueofire » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:20 pm

Pedro- 117.2 IP, 102 H, 14 HR's, 31 BB's, 3.67 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, .232 BA. 13 quality starts. W-L: 9-3

Vazquez- 113 IP, 101 H, 17 HR's, 27 BB's, 3.50 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, .235 BA. 11 quality starts. W-L: 9-5

the numbers are pretty close. so i dont think its unfair but in my eyes i think theres a slightly better case for Pedro. Perdo "wins" in every single category here 'cept era and walks.

... at least its not rhidiculously stupid like Giambi getting selected as the starting 1B. :-°
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:23 pm

It's hard to call Torre biased when the decision is that close. Also, what is Vazquez's run support compared to Pedro? I tried looking but couldn't find anything. I know earlier in the year Vazquez had one of the worst run support.
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Postby Smizzy » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:24 pm

You don't think the kid deserves it more than the old man??

Plus what if torre took pedro and he hurts his shoulder in the game...I can on'y imagine the Yankee properganda that would be spewed.
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Postby rmeesig » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:42 pm

well, he IS the coach of the YANKEES. why SHOULD he pick Pedro? How would that go over back at the home office? Think George would be happy with that selection? Screw the stats - Joe knows what he's doing. Selecting Vaz gives his young stud confidence, which is exactly what he needs going into the 2nd half. Joe knows Pedro will do just fine without his help. Joe also knows, he just made Vaz THAT much better, simply be selecting him.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:47 pm

Amazing. How many Yankees do they need to have on the team?

Arod, Jeter Giambi around the infield.

Matsui and Sheff in the outfield.

Gordon and Rivera from the pen.

And now Vaz. Wow.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:49 pm

Well Giambi, Matsui, Jeter and A-Rod were all voted to the team. I doubt Torre would've taken all of them if given the chance. The only ones he selected were Rivera, Sheff, Gordon and now Vazquez, and there's a case for every one of them to be there.

Also, bogie made a good point. I bet Rivera and Sheff were both voted by managers and players because of their great years, and maybe Vazquez as well. You really don't know exactly what Torre picked.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:51 pm

Well, there's a case to be made for Gordon, Vaz and Sheff, but I like others.

Oh well. I don't care. I hope all of them play.
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Postby rmeesig » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:55 pm

OK, I'll prove Joe has no grudge:

Joe just explained it on the post game on YES. Pedro was actually next on the list but asked not to go because he had made plans so they went with who came after him which was Javy.

heard he has a hair appointment. ;-)
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