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by **nsulham** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:24 pm

Javy Vazquez replaces Hudson on the All-Star team. Both Pedro and Vazquez have 9 wins but Vaz has 5 losses while Pedro has 3. Vaz has Pedro in ERA but only slightly while Pedro has more K's.

Yes, since Torre's the manager he can choose who he wants but come on, you can't possibly tell me Pedro's history with Torre and the Yankees didn't have any influence on Torre's decision.

by **JOEG** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:25 pm

This is getting out of control!!!! Another reason to hop the Yanks don't make the series!!!

by **kaz** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:34 pm

And you're telling me if it were the other way around and Pedro had more losses, and was still picked, you would have a problem with it?

by **Strasil42** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:34 pm

good pedros a baby and vazquez is nothing but a class act.

by **matmat** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:39 pm

i'd like to point out that javy has also walked fewer batters.
besides... I'd take Westbrook over Pedro anyway.

by **JOEG** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:46 pm

How bout Rincon, hell he should of made it over Gorden just to even things out a little!

by **BoSox4life** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:48 pm

matmat wrote:i'd like to point out that javy has also walked fewer batters.
besides... I'd take Westbrook over Pedro anyway.

hah, funny.

by **ocmusicjunkie** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:55 pm

Attention all Redsox fans: not everyone is conspiring against you

This is like Pedro claiming racism a few years back, when Zito won the Cy Young over him. That year his era was awesome, but he had something like 5 less wins and 75 less IP than Zito did. Maybe Pedro should have won, but you could have made an argument for either guy. Same with Javy this year. You could easily make a case for either pitcher. Maybe Pedro should have been there, but you can’t say it’s bias when the decision is this close.

by **matmat** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:59 pm

ocmusicjunkie wrote: Maybe Pedro should have been there, but you can’t say it’s bias when the decision is this close.

it is clearly a racist decision, though. Clearly. O:-)

by **nsulham** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:03 pm

Wow the Pedro haters are out tonight.

I haven't looked if there's someone more deserving than Pedro but Pedro's got Vazquez in HR's allowed, WHIP and BAA.

Is there someone more deserving than Vazquez and Pedro? Haven't looked but show me the numbers and my opinion can be changed.

Sure Pedro isn't immortal anymore and he's been roughed up at times this year but his numbers still speak for themself.

Besides, half the roster will be Yankees anyways now we get Vazquez.

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