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Postby LBJackal » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:23 pm

Ortiz's little time in the field probably helps the team more than Manny in LF all season; he's horrible out there. Lets call fielding a wash.

Hitting, Manny has been much better. His OPS is 1.087 compared to 0.937 for Ortiz. His BA is much higher, same with OBA and SLG.

Not even a doubt in my mind Manny deserves it more than Ortiz.
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Postby thetongueofire » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:34 pm

just gonna throw something out there... David Ortiz leads mlb in game winning/tying hits since last year's AS break.

i think right now its close.... Ortiz has been more "clutch" (using that kinda loosely :-o ) if i had to.. id got for Manny. he has "better" numbers than Vlad right now... Manny has been the best and the most productive hitter in the AL up until now. his numbers speak for themselves. hes second in the AL in obp (only .001 behind the big hurt) and by a significant margin the 1st in AL in slug.

first in both rbis and HR's. 4th in BA.

the only person in all of MLB to be in the top 5 in his league in BA, HR's and ribbies.

some pretty convincing evidence imo.

Vlad hasnt been particularly hot for the past few games but i think Vlad's gonna make a serious run. at the end i think it'll be one of these four guys... Vlad, Manny, David and A-rod. i'll gove Manny the nod for now
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Postby kaz » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:41 pm

If the season ended today, Pudge would get my MVP award. Who bats .500 for a month? 8-o
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Postby brdmaverick » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:26 am

I would give the MVP to Manny.
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Postby rjforlife » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:19 am

thetongueofire wrote: Manny has been the best and the most productive hitter in the AL up until now. his numbers speak for themselves. hes second in the AL in obp (only .001 behind the big hurt) and by a significant margin the 1st in AL in slug.

first in both rbis and HR's. 4th in BA.



i think ortiz is 1st in rbi not manny....from tonights game:

RBI - D Ortiz (77), M Ramirez 3 (71)

even so i think manny REPRESENTS the redsox and thats what the MVP is for, the player that carries his team and is really THE MAN for that team if that makes sense. when you think redsox, you think pedro and manny, those are the 2 guys for the sox ( i know schillng is lights out but pedro is the sox) so with stats close, manny gets it for being the bosox figurehead.
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Postby LBJackal » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:23 am

RBI are random.... Manny has been a much better hitter this year. Since Ortiz spends at least half his games as the DH, he shoud'nt get an edge in fielding either. No question Manny deserves it more than him.
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Postby thetongueofire » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:39 am

rjforlife wrote:
thetongueofire wrote: Manny has been the best and the most productive hitter in the AL up until now. his numbers speak for themselves. hes second in the AL in obp (only .001 behind the big hurt) and by a significant margin the 1st in AL in slug.

first in both rbis and HR's. 4th in BA.



i think ortiz is 1st in rbi not manny....from tonights game:

RBI - D Ortiz (77), M Ramirez 3 (71)



my total bad...

but hes still the ONLY guy in all of MLB to be in the top 5 of his league in HR, RBI and Runs as well.

yup, i agree. hes clearly been the best hitter in the AL so far. also leads the AL in TB, ops, runs created and is 2nd in XBH and obp.. theres just too much evidence. :-D

plus i dont wanna take away from how awesome Ortiz has been but he has had a ton of protection from Manny hitting behind him.
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Postby The Jury » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:10 am

Rirruto wrote:Yeah, another vote for Vlad here. Dude switched leagues, is playing without alot of injured starters and still hasn't missed a beat


I'm going with Pudge over Manny or Ortiz or anyone else. Dude switched leagues, is playing without a a lot of injured starters and still hasn't missed a beat :-D :-D
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Postby assron » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:54 am

manny for sure
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Postby Pokey » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:18 am

I don't know why so many people would choose Vlad over Manny. Look at the numbers:

Manny: .338 Avg, 24 HR, 71, RBI, 51 XBH, 1.098 OPS

Vlad: .342 Avg, 20 HR, 73 RBI, 44 XBH, .983 OPS

and for those he say vlad has carried his team, he sure has... but only to a 44-40 record. There was a long while where Manny was carrying the team by himself, and until about a week ago, it was still only Manny and Ortiz. He's led his team to a 46-37 record.
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