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Postby strats36 » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:23 am

They say there are no stupid questions but that's a lie they tell stupid people to make them feel better. Here's my stupid question:

What exactly is the difference between a shallow and deep league?

Does it have to do with the number of teams in the league or the size of the rosters on the teams?
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Postby Madison » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:30 am

Both.

12 teams with 22 man rosters is about average.
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Postby Madison » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:32 am

Oh, and it really isn't a stupid question. Quite a few people are not exactly sure what the answer is simply because leagues change from year to year due to preferences, etc. ;-)
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:56 am

Madison wrote:Both.

12 teams with 22 man rosters is about average.


Yep. ;-D
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Re: Stupid Question

Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:03 am

strats36 wrote:They say there are no stupid questions but that's a lie they tell stupid people to make them feel better. Here's my stupid question:

What exactly is the difference between a shallow and deep league?

Does it have to do with the number of teams in the league or the size of the rosters on the teams?


Yes,

A shallow league is one where there are not as many players per roster spot - eg. an AL only league where you cut out half of the players leaving a "shallow" player pool.

A deep league has a lot of players per manager either because there are few teams with few roster spots and because there is no restriction on who you can draft/purchase. This means that there is a "deep" player pool and nobody is starting Milton Bradley and Shawn Green's sorry ass is on the bench.
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Re: Stupid Question

Postby Opinion Ape » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:47 am

Mookie4ever wrote:
A shallow league is one where there are not as many players per roster spot - eg. an AL only league where you cut out half of the players leaving a "shallow" player pool.

A deep league has a lot of players per manager either because there are few teams with few roster spots and because there is no restriction on who you can draft/purchase. This means that there is a "deep" player pool and nobody is starting Milton Bradley and Shawn Green's sorry ass is on the bench.


Cry your pardon, my man, but this is actually the opposite of how I usually hear these terms used. To wit: deep vs. shallow refers to how far into the available player pool the league has to go to fill its roster spots.

Fewer teams and/or fewer roster spots on each team means fewer players are on a roster at any particular time, and that league is shallow (i.e. doesn't go very far into the player pool) -- and good players are likely still on the waiver wire. In a deep league teams carry more players, and/or there are more teams so the pickings on the waiver wire are much less attractive.

Thus, in your examples above, a league where Milton Bradley and Shawn Green approach discard status is shallow; an AL or NL only league is neither deep nor shallow 'til we know how large rosters are.

Using Madison's average #'s above, an 8 team league with 22 roster spots/team would be shallow, especially in comparison to a 20 team/22 roster spot league where folks may even carry top-notch, potential minor-league call-ups.

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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:56 am

hmmm lurking ape, now you have me questioning myself (I don't like doing that because too much brain space is used up by fantasy sports already).

I will try to find a link or something to clear this up later on this afternoon when I have more time.
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Postby Opinion Ape » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:03 am

Mookie4ever wrote:hmmm lurking ape, now you have me questioning myself (I don't like doing that because too much brain space is used up by fantasy sports already).

I will try to find a link or something to clear this up later on this afternoon when I have more time.


I hear you, on both counts. I'm off to work myself, and perhaps by the time we're both back the collective mind of the cafe will have resolved this . . . 'cause before I wrote what I wrote, I was positive, and now I'm less than. Not much less positive, but indeed, some doubt has crept in.
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Postby Madison » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:08 am

:-o Wow. You guys made this awfully complicated. :-o

If say.....Shawn Green and Brandon Webb are free agents, then it's a shallow league.

If you are just trying to find someone who actually gets playing time, then it's a deep league.

Hopefully, that makes it a little more clear. :-D


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Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:24 am

Ok I'm wrong and ape is right - Green's sorry ass sits on the bench in a shallow league - I got confused (but it makes more sense the other way around). No more answering stupid questions for me.

btw ape - where does the "cry your pardon" come from. Are you a fan of the Gunslinger/Dark Tower? because that's the only place that I've heard that one before.
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