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Where do you rank Lidge amongst closers?

Postby RynMan » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:32 am

Where would you place him?

I think he is great, and has absolutely nasty stuff, and think he is as good as Dotel. Where would you rank him?
Gagne, Wagner, Rivera, Smoltz
Foulke, Guardado, Izzy, Hoffman, Lidge here???
Cordero, Kolb...
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Postby KolbSaves » Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:35 am

Gagne, Wagner, Rivera, Smoltz, Foulke, Guardado, Hoffman, Dotel, and Nathan are above him in my mind right now
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Postby Registered_Guest » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:07 am

In terms of stuff, I wouldn't hesitate putting him in the Top 5 in the league. Given I hate the Astros with a passion as a Cub fan, it's hard to say.

But until the Astros fix their middle relief, they're sure to blow his potential save opportunities.

Lidge is good enough to be their set up guy AND closer, but they'd kill his arm in the process. They need desperately to go out and find both a 7th and 8th inning arms.

Their starters aren't durable enough to consistently go 8 innings -- which they're basically being asked to do as there isn't an arm in their pen to get to Lidge.
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Postby mikegp » Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:50 am

Registered_Guest is 100% right. Lidge is a wicked stud except the MR for the Astros suck so much that he won't get any save ops because they will all be blown in the 8th inning(eg) Yesterdays game against the Cubbies)
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Postby thehat » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:51 am

He's a decent bet to score 20 saves with a load of K's. Upper echelon, although I won't call him elite just yet. Close, though, as that K rate really boosts his stock.
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Postby d18Mike » Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:15 am

I think it's big leap to put him anywhere near the top tier for at least a couple months. Closing is fundamenatlly different than MR. Everyone who has tried it says so. No one doubts his stuff from the neck down. He can throw hard for an inning. So can a lot of guys. Let's see what he can do from the neck up. That will be the determining factor.

If I were a "buyer" I'd rank him in the mid-pack right now. If I were a "seller," upper mid-pack.
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Postby great gretzky » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:25 pm

his k bonus is pretty nasty though. he has a starters k's ...
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Postby DK » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:27 pm

great gretzky wrote:his k bonus is pretty nasty though. he has a starters k's ...


I think he has more strikeouts than Mike Mussina. 8o
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Postby LionsandTigersOhMy » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:32 pm

Well preseason everyone had Dotel ranked as a stud for sure. Now that its Lidge steeping into the role he is not a sure thing. I wonder why? 4/4 in saves along with a win looks pretty good to me.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:37 pm

I think we still need to give him time before we call him a stud. Sure he has great stuff, and has looked pretty good so far, but how many others have been like that? Lots, a lot more than have lived up to the hype probably. Another thing is the expectation and pressure of closing in a tight division race (if they can pull themselves back in it when all their SP's are healthy) has seen many wilt under the pressure. It takes a different kind of pitcher to be a great closer IMO, and only time will tell if he has the stuff to get it done at the major league level.
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