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Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:24 pm

Prior
Zambrano
Beckett
Sheets
Grienke
Harden
Peavy
Buerhle
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Postby Mugwump » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:26 pm

What do you guys think about Zambrano? He kind of came out of nowhere... I don't remember him being touted highly in their farm system?!?! I picked him up last year and he was a great inning and K guy for me... So, I looked to draft him this year and took him over Wolf, Clemens, Miller, Moyer, Piniero. He is turning into a keeper. Hopefully, he will hold up with some of these pitch counts that Baker puts him through, but he is a big dude and hopefully can withstand this punishment.
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Postby wkelly91 » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:43 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:Prior
Zambrano
Beckett
Sheets
Grienke
Harden
Peavy
Buerhle


I'll agree with this list ;-D

What about?

Santana
Zito
Webb
Piniero
Willis
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Postby nmarq8 » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:04 pm

Melo255 wrote:Prior
Beckett
Zambrano
Sheets
Harden
Peavy
Buehrle
Greinke


i like this one the best switching peavy with harden. i have a hard time with the other posters putting harden and greinke above peavy. he has a ridiculous pitcher's park as a home field and is proven in the statistical categories that are most often used to roject a pitcher's worth (i.e. k/bb, whip, etc.) and i don't know if wolf is under 25, but i'd put him in there somewhere above buehrle.
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:17 am

Man, no one likes Peavy? Imo, he's on Zambranos Becketts level. Buehrle is a finesse sp, who really should only be above Madson.

Prior is the obvious 1. I think the 2nd spot could go Beckett/Zambrano/Peavy/Sheets in any order. I probably would take Peavy and Beckett after Prior. Zambrano is very good, but has been very lucky with his DIPS era so far.
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Postby kaz » Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:23 am

Beckett > Zambrano IMO
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Postby irishdude103 » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:01 am

wkelly91 wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:Prior
Zambrano
Beckett
Sheets
Grienke
Harden
Peavy
Buerhle


I'll agree with this list ;-D

What about?

Santana
Zito
Webb
Piniero
Willis


Santana
Pinero
Zito
Webb
Willis
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Postby Andy1234 » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:03 am

- Sheets is 25, so I didn't rank him (if I did he would be in tier 2)
- Buehrle is also 25, (would be tier 3 or 4)
- Ryan Madson has only 1 career start, so I didn't rank him. In his 1 start he went 2/3 of an Inning and gave up 6 runs. OUCH!!

Tier 1: Mark Prior

Tier 2: (All 3 are very close any almost interchangable)
Josh Beckett
Carlos Zambrano
Jake Peavy

Tier 3:
Grienke
Oliver Perez

Tier 4:
Harden
Willis
Jon Garland - Wasn't mentioned, but is looking better and better (Although not enough to be mentioned as a keeper, unless very large league)
Brett Myers - one that wasn't mentioned (maybe for good reason)


wkelly91 wrote:What about?

Santana
Zito
Webb
Piniero
Willis
Only Willis is under 25

Santana is 25
Zito is 26
Webb is 25
Piniero is 25
Willis is 22
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Postby Mugwump » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:25 am

I'm changing my order from what I posted above...

Prior
Beckett
Zambrano
Sheets
Peavy
Greinke
Harden
Beuhrle
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Postby rjforlife » Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:58 am

im going with this one for top 10 of all the guys mentioned


prior- clear number one

beckett- best stuff of anyone on this list, if he gets over his injuries he will be right there with prior

zambo- solid guy who has good stuff with good era/whip/k/wins

santana-has been lights out since he stopped tipping pitches and i have to think the surgery is finally not affecting him anymore, so he has almost unlimited K potential and with the AL central as soft as it is he can win a lot of games with minnesota

sheets- same as zambrano except the brewers offense isnt too hit

peavy- still very young with a lot to prove but already shows he can strike people out and with SDs improving O he could win 15 games next season

webb- i really think a lot of his frustration comes from losing game after game in arizona when he pitches well so i feel he will either snap out of his funk and pitch like he can or maybe get traded to a contender and really turn it on

perez- similar to webb in that he is really going to have to fight for wins but if he strikes out 200+ like it looks he will he still carries a fair amount of value

harden- has to prove he can last in the majors, he was hot at the start last season too but faded bad so im not sold on him yet but he could turn out to be another big oakland starter

grienke- way to early to make a call on this guy but he has been excellent so far, problem is that he plays for the royals so hes totally screwed on wins for awhile.
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