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Postby thetongueofire » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:31 pm

i agree.. his value goes down but he'll steal more.. lol. hope that the M's deal either Wilson or Olivo. :-°
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Postby jsuga22 » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:33 pm

I think meche or hopefully blackley will get called up for the Ms... soriano isnt healthy enough to start.
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Postby hybrid » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:38 pm

thetongueofire wrote:not so quick..

Freddy's home'away splits


IP HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

58.2 2 53 2.61 1.06 .198
48.1 6 29 3.91 1.37 .278

draw your own conlusions... Safeco is the best pitcher's park in the AL... the M's defense is also amongst the top in the AL... methinks his era and ratios are prolly not gonna improve from now on.

.. therefore my take is if you dont specifically need wins, this'd be an extremely "grand" time to sell high on Freddy. it'd be worth holding on to him if you do need the W's but still consider if someone overvalues him cos of this move.


I agree somewhat w/ what you said cause I made the same point earlier when the trade rumors came up. Though most of that is from just 2 games, against the Angels and Red Sox. 11.2IP 21H 9ER in those 2 starts. It was his 2nd start in a row vs. the halos and that always favors the hitters. The sox can also score against any SP, so to me I think he can stay around the 3.35 area.

It also has to help his mind set knowing he will get runs and not hoping he does get 1 or 2. Thinking and your mind set can go a long ways in how you pitch, which Freddy was clearly frsutrated in Seattle about. Time will tell, but I don't think his era will be as bad as his road era indicates.
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Postby thetongueofire » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:56 pm

hybrid wrote:
thetongueofire wrote:not so quick..

Freddy's home'away splits


IP HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

58.2 2 53 2.61 1.06 .198
48.1 6 29 3.91 1.37 .278

draw your own conlusions... Safeco is the best pitcher's park in the AL... the M's defense is also amongst the top in the AL... methinks his era and ratios are prolly not gonna improve from now on.

.. therefore my take is if you dont specifically need wins, this'd be an extremely "grand" time to sell high on Freddy. it'd be worth holding on to him if you do need the W's but still consider if someone overvalues him cos of this move.


I agree somewhat w/ what you said cause I made the same point earlier when the trade rumors came up. Though most of that is from just 2 games, against the Angels and Red Sox. 11.2IP 21H 9ER in those 2 starts. It was his 2nd start in a row vs. the halos and that always favors the hitters. The sox can also score against any SP, so to me I think he can stay around the 3.35 area.

It also has to help his mind set knowing he will get runs and not hoping he does get 1 or 2. Thinking and your mind set can go a long ways in how you pitch, which Freddy was clearly frsutrated in Seattle about. Time will tell, but I don't think his era will be as bad as his road era indicates.


i knew 'bout the Sox start but i completely forgot about the Angels one... :-°... prolly got it messed up with his first start against him. anyways, it prolly wont be as bad as the whole road/home diff. sorry if i came off as too strong. but i dont think theres any room for improvement in terms of era and ratios.. they'll stay the about the same or go up. but he basically WILL and HAS TO get more wins... so if i dont need wins, and he prolly wont improve anywhere else.. id be better off selling him. thats my basic train of thought.
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Postby hybrid » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:02 pm

yeah I agree w/ your train of thought. I don't see his era or whip getting better, I just don't see it being inflated that much. The W's hopefully will be coming a lot more often now.

and don't worry you didn't come off as "too strong", but yeah if you don't need W's in a roto-league, might as well trade him w/ his value high.
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Postby brdmaverick » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:51 pm

I love the idea of Freddy Garcia staying in the AL (against guys he is familiar with) and finally being able to get some wins with the monster run support of Chicago.

I just wish the Red Sox got him.
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Postby wrveres » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:52 pm

Freddies Career Splits ...

Code: Select all
        G GS  W  L   IP    H   R   R  HR  BB  K  ERA  WHIP BAA   
Home   86 86 39 29  556.1 512 245 230 60 210 409 3.72 1.30 .242   
Away   84 83 37 21  540.0 523 259 244 59 179 410 4.07 1.30 .254


And his Career at Comisky ..
Code: Select all
G GS W L IP   H  R  ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA   
5 5  3 1 30.2 27 15 15 4 12 18 4.40 1.27 .237

Me thinks he will be ok ..
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Postby AKhomebrewer » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:05 pm

INKcogKNEEdough wrote:I forsee Moyer to the BOSOX......seems like a perrrrfect fit to me.


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Hope the BoSox front office is on a fast horse. Yankee and Mariner scouts have been tripping all over each other in the weeks before Chicago pulled the rug out from under the Freddy deal ... and now word is the Empire "is seeking a lefthanded starter."
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:31 pm

Ewww a 4.40 at his home ballpark? Ouch! .35 of ERA is a pretty big difference between home and away. Unless you were being sarcastic.
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Postby thetongueofire » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:28 pm

the deal is that Freddy is a major flyball pitcher... he has given up at least 30 in the past two seasons despite practically pitching half of his games at Safeco. he also had prolly the one of the best outfields and defenses in general in Seattle... but Comisky Park is a HR conducive ballpark and the White Sox OF's defense and overall defense more so though not "bad", isnt as good as Seattle's. these are the things that might make some difference in his era and ratios.
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