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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:59 pm

ajgnydc722 wrote:I don't mean will Rivera win it this year, I just am asking if he is RIGHT NOW.


Through 6-10 Schilling was leading AL pitchers in win shares, with Hudson/Mulder right there. Rivera is a bit behind.

AL mvp is bunched between Manny/Arod/Vlad. I wouldsn't call Vlad a slam dunk.
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Postby WhiteHot » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:06 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
ajgnydc722 wrote:I don't mean will Rivera win it this year, I just am asking if he is RIGHT NOW.


Through 6-10 Schilling was leading AL pitchers in win shares, with Hudson/Mulder right there. Rivera is a bit behind.

AL mvp is bunched between Manny/Arod/Vlad. I wouldsn't call Vlad a slam dunk.


I think Vlad is a slam dunk right now. 64 RBI vs. Manny's 50 and ARod's 44. 50 points higher AVG than AROD, 10 points higher than Manny. Everyone knows the BoSox and Yanks have STACKED lineups. With all the injuries to Anaheim (Garrett, Erstad, Glaus, etc), Vlad has carried that team on his back.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:07 pm

Hootie, enlighten us on how so far, Vlad isnt the guaranteed AL MVP? The guy is a hitting machine!
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Postby Nomar4prez » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:17 pm

How is D. Ortiz not in the running for MVP? IMO, he's been just as valuable, if not more valuable than Manny.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:22 pm

D Ortiz should be right up there with Manny but he doesnt have the AVG Vladdy has.
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Postby Kegglers » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:31 pm

Mulder has to get the nod right now for Cy. Hudson second. If not for Rhodes stinky ass Hudson would have 4 more wins right now.
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Postby Tavish » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:34 pm

I would actually give Hudson the nod over Mulder, but the two are pretty close with Schilling not too far behind.
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Postby blankman » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:34 pm

Not after tonight's game. Hudson tonight has been :-P :-t :-t
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Postby Lofunzo » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:35 pm

blankman wrote:Not after tonight's game. Hudson tonight has been :-P :-t :-t


I was thinking the same thing.
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:48 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:Hootie, enlighten us on how so far, Vlad isnt the guaranteed AL MVP? The guy is a hitting machine!


Guaranteed? Slam dunk?

No one said Vlad isn't a hitting machine. I already mentioned Arod/Vlad/Manny are within 2 win shares of each other. But since Vlad is the easy winner, please explain why Manny leads the AL in OPS?
Runs Created?
RC/27?


OPS

Manny 1.093
Vlad 1.008
Arod .940

Lets look at runs created

Manny 64
Vlad 62
Arod 57

Let's look at RC/27

Manny 9.75
Vlad 8.84
Arod 7.82

As far as Vlad leading in rbis, he should,

Vlad 136 abs with runners on
Arod 116
Manny 115

Vlad 80 abs withy RISP
Arod 59
Manny 64



Frankly, Manny has been the best hitter in AL. The reason the total runs created is that close, is Vlad has the most abs of the 3. Vlad is in the hunt, and may win. But he is no way a lock, guaranteed slam dunk. Average doesn't show much of the big picture. Rbis are team dependent. Frankly, i would vote Manny at this point myself.
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